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The Fierce Ideological War Between Progressives v. Liberals

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Eric Zuesse (blogs at https://theduran.com/author/eric-zuesse/)

Back in the 1970s, the only big difference between liberals and progressives was that, whereas liberals, such as Hubert Humphrey, supported the military-industrial complex, progressives, such as George McGovern, opposed it. But, now, that difference has become expanded into a vast chasm, in which, whereas liberals support intensification of the Cold War, progressives oppose it; and whereas liberals support censorship, progressives oppose it; and whereas liberals support public-private partnerships (the corporate state), progressives oppose it; and whereas liberals support imperialism (our nation’s dictating to foreign countries how they should be governed and what policies they should have), progressives oppose it; and whereas liberals support race-and-ethnic-based laws, progressives oppose it.

In Britain, today’s head of the Labour Party, Keir Starmer (a Tony Blair liberal), is more like a Tory than like the previous Labour head, Jeremy Corbyn, who was a progressive. And Tony Blair was likewise more like America’s George W. Bush than like his immediate successor as the Labour head, Corbyn. What are conservatives even needed for, if there are liberals such as Blair and Starmer in the ‘opposite’ (the overtly conservative) Party?

Similarly, in America, today’s head of the Democratic Party, Joe Biden, is more like the liberals Blair and Starmer and Clinton and Obama, than like such progressives as George McGovern and Ted Kennedy and JFK and Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

For example: on 8 June 2023, Robert Reich, who had been a fellow Rhodes (intensely pro-imperialism) scholar with Bill Clinton at Oxford, and then got appointed by Clinton as his Labor Secretary, headlined, at Eurasia Review, “Should We Be Worried About RFK Jr?” (and under a slew of other headlines elsewhere) and he answered a scathing yes, against Joe Biden’s only real competiton for the Democratic Party’s 2024 Presidential nomination, RFK Jr. In fact, Reich opened, “Were it not for his illustrious name, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. would be just another crackpot in the growing number of bottom-feeding right-wing fringe politicians seeking high office.” He said “The younger RFK is a right-wing nut case.”  It was full of ad-hominems, and had no ad-rems — no evidence (supporting facts) (except false ones: misrepresentations of his policy-positions). Reich condemned that “He wants the federal government to consider the war in Ukraine from the perspective of Russians.” — as-if Russians aren’t very reasonably terrified at the idea that U.S. missiles might become placed at the nearest border to The Kremlin, which is Ukraine’s, just 300 miles and a five-minute flying-distance from a blitz-beheading of Russia’s central command there (which is the reason why Obama had grabbed Ukraine by a coup in 2014). The liberal Reich thinks ignoring Russia’s national-security “red lines” (like Biden does and Obaba did) is just fine. (He obviously wants a President like that.) And George W. Bush used to be considered as neoconservative (pro-U.S.-imperialism) as anyone could possibly be! That President was out-done by Obama (in Libya, Syria, Ukraine, Venezuela, and Russia), and, now, is being outdone by Biden. And Reich wants that extreme neoconservatism to continue, whereas RFK Jr. wants to end it and spend all that money here at home, instead, to improve Americans’ health care, education, and environment.

The Democratic Party has become as neoconservative as the Republicans were at their very worst; and RFK Jr. is opposed to its neoconservatism, and to its Cold War, and to its corporate state, and to its pro-MIC (pro-Lockheed etc.) stance, and to today’s Democratic Party’s domestic-policy focus on racial and ethnic issues more than on economic-class issues (which used to be its main domestic-policy concern). In running against Joe Biden right now, RFK Jr. is opposing a person whose values and passions resemble Donald Trump’s more than they resemble his own, or Ted Kennedy’s, or JFK’s, or George McGovern’s. The ideological contest now within the Democratic Party is bigger than is the ideological contrast between the two Parties, at the present time.

Both of today’s two Parties are ‘democratic’ (meaning now merely electoral, rather than actually representing more than 50% of the public) fascist (which instead imposes the collective will of the nation’s billionaires against the collective will of the nation’s public). The only difference between the Parties now is that the Republican Party is overtly fascist (billionaires-controlled), while the Democratic Party sweet-talks its versions of neoconservatism, race-driven politics, censorship, and the corporate state — which are the policies that billionaires want. RFK Jr. stands against both versions of fascism, and for progressivism (rule “of the people, for the people, and by the people” — NOT for and by the billionaires, which is what both of today’s Parties are actually imposing).

Liberalism now is just the hypocritical type of conservatism. Progressives oppose both the honest and the hypocritical types of conservatism — both types.

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Investigative historian Eric Zuesse’s new book, AMERICA’S EMPIRE OF EVIL: Hitler’s Posthumous Victory, and Why the Social Sciences Need to Change, is about how America took over the world after World War II in order to enslave it to U.S.-and-allied billionaires. Their cartels extract the world’s wealth by control of not only their ‘news’ media but the social ‘sciences’ — duping the public.

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Tim
Tim
September 8, 2023

No one in America would recognize a progressive vrs Liberal “ideology War”. You must not be an American to make these statements. It’s very common for Europeans to think they know about American culture, American politics and Americans, when in fact, they usually have little if any knowledge or understanding and depend on what they see on CNN, which is 99% false and inaccurate, for the basis of their knowledge. The “ideology War” in the U.S. is between NeoCons ( Zionist Jews ) and practicing Christians who are aware. Europeans don’t generally know that Joe Biden is admittedly a Zionist,… Read more »

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Tim
Tim
Reply to  Eric Zuesse
September 9, 2023

and nothing to do with your post.

“Progressives” are not identified in American politics by either the public or the politicians themselves. If you’re personally labeling them according to your opinion, ok but as I said, Americans won’t recognize that label or agree with it.

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September 9, 2023

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The Holy Roman Führer.
September 8, 2023

“…Progressives v. Liberals”?— two cheeks of the same arse. 

May as well talk about a “Fierce Ideological War” between Pepsi and Coke, as they are fundamentally the same thing.  

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The Holy Roman Führer.
September 8, 2023

“The only difference between the Parties now is that the Republican Party is overtly fascist (billionaires-controlled),..” Eric Zuesse loves re-engineering the true meaning of words, as he just did with the word ‘fascist’, to fit his ideological agenda.   Here is the original meaning of the word Fascist from the The Shortened Oxford Dictionary, published in 1933. Fascist, 1921. [ad. It. fascista, f.fascio group.] one of a body of Italian nationalists organised under Benito Mussolini to oppose Bolshevism. Hence Fascism, their principles and organisation. But Eric Zuesse Newspeak redefinition of the word ‘fascist’ is “fascist (billionaires-controlled)” Real fascism, is what the… Read more »

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Michael Woodbridge
Michael Woodbridge
Reply to  The Holy Roman Führer.
September 8, 2023

Couldn’t agree more! The trouble with purely ideological thinking is that it can all too easily bypass the individual merits of a case by descending into political posturing and name calling.

Commit
Commit
Reply to  The Holy Roman Führer.
September 8, 2023

“Progressives” are textbook fascists.

Commit
Commit
Reply to  Eric Zuesse
September 8, 2023

“Progressives are entirely against imperialism”

“Progressivism” is 21th century imperialism. Why does monopolist capital finance promotion of “progressive” causes? Why do “progressives” support immigration, interruptions and euthanasia for local population? Also export of the sick ideas serves the imperialism.

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Irmtraut
Irmtraut
Reply to  Commit
September 9, 2023

Today’s Dems are fascists. But they are the opposite of “Progressives.”

Irmtraut
Irmtraut
Reply to  The Holy Roman Führer.
September 9, 2023

I find the current Democrat Party far more fascist than the Republican party ever was. In case you haven’t noticed, the dems are also controlled by billionaires. The times when the DNC represented the interests of the poor and working classes have been gone for decades.

Commit
Commit
September 8, 2023

“Progressives” are liberals on steroids.

Commit
Commit
Reply to  Eric Zuesse
September 8, 2023

Social democrats have been fascist since inter war period.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_fascism

penrose
penrose
September 9, 2023

I prefer Sanes vs Crazies. The West Coast and Washington D.C. are good places to find the Crazies. Some call D.C. a swamp. I call it a cesspool. As for the Neocons, if you don’t know about these criminals yet, you haven’t been paying attention. For them, killing people is an amusing sport. They regard 9/11 as fun and games. A time to cheer and clap. Hey, look at those people jumping off the building to escape the fire. Isn’t that funny?

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