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US Neocons Target Erdogan, Seek Change in Turkey

US Neocons Target Erdogan, Seek Change in Turkey
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Neocons take aim at Turkey
Hawks pushing for war and regime change in Iran have formed a new group to challenge Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan.

Neocons take aim at Turkey – Responsible Statecraft

Neocons take aim at Turkey Hawks pushing for war and regime change in Iran have formed a new group to challenge Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. Prominent neoconservatives and other hawks have set their sights on Turkey, announcing a new Washington-based group “in response to Turkey’s recent turn away from democracy and toward authoritarianism” on Thursday.

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Greg
Greg
June 30, 2021

Astonishing how the progressives’ love of big government (as the answer to every domestic problem) leads them to vote Democrat, and how a subsequent presidential win by Democrats inevitably produces a bellicose, neo-Con government whose activities in the world are antithetical to the values progressives espouse – no borders, voting rights for illegals, fairness and ‘justice’ for all, etc etc. If it wasn’t so horrible it would be funny.

Greg
Greg
June 30, 2021

Many in the majority muslim Turkish population (in Turkey and Germany) view the USA as the ‘Great Satan’. Why would they accept regime change even if it could be achieved?

Franz Beckenbauer
Franz Beckenbauer
June 30, 2021

Recep has Vova’s number.
Now he’s gonna use it.

Franz Beckenbauer
Franz Beckenbauer
Reply to  Franz Beckenbauer
June 30, 2021

That is going to solve such a lot of problems for russia and will be such a desaster for NATO, Biden should be given the nobel peace price.

Helga I. Fellay
Helga I. Fellay
June 30, 2021

Alexander – firstly, the pronunciation of “Erdoğan” – The stress/emphasis is not on the letter E, but rather on the letter o. The letter g, (only when it has that little wiggle on top of it), is NOT pronounced at all, but it is an indication that the vowel right before it is heavily stressed. Imagine Erdoooan, with heavy stress on the o. Secondly, Turkey, like many other nations, has seen changes during the 20th Century. Mustafa Kemal Ataturk (still revered as the “Father of modern Turkey” ruled between 1923 to 1938. He single-handedly pulled Turkey from a backwaters hinterland… Read more »

Gulan Heights
Gulan Heights
Reply to  Helga I. Fellay
June 30, 2021

I thought the g was vocalized as a y,

Adriana
Adriana
Reply to  Helga I. Fellay
July 1, 2021

it’s the biggest nonsense I’ve read her. I live here and see the differences and how the poor Turks complain every time

Adriana
Adriana
Reply to  Helga I. Fellay
July 1, 2021

If Ataturk managed to bring the country to its highest heights, Erdogan managed to bury it. Women’s rights are only on paper, the health system is down, and it’s a bit of a dictatorship. Sometimes if I use the president’s name on the street I have to be careful not to be arrested.

Helga I. Fellay
Helga I. Fellay
Reply to  Adriana
July 1, 2021

This is the reason Erdogan has no support among the modern, westernized urban Turks. The reason Erdogan has managed to survive is because he is an Islamist, and for that reason has strong support in backwards south-eastern Anatolia, where the population outnumbers the urban Kemalist population. Turkey is partly in Europe and partly in Asia. There are two Turkish cultures, not one culture as you find in most European countries. Erdogan has not “destroyed” Ataturk or the Kemalist culture Ataturk has created any more than Biden’s seizure of the White House has destroyed conservative values in the US. He has… Read more »

Beatus
Beatus
Reply to  Helga I. Fellay
July 1, 2021

Gulen has failed, so this is the successor group.

Helga I. Fellay
Helga I. Fellay
Reply to  Beatus
July 1, 2021

Gulen has not failed, the CIA has failed when it used Gulen in an effort to conquer Turkey. Gulen is still their asset.

Franz Beckenbauer
Franz Beckenbauer
Reply to  Helga I. Fellay
July 1, 2021

You’re wrong about Atatürk. He mamaged to create a few enclaves of Modernity in big cities like Istambul, Ankara or Izmir in the western part of turkey, but even that required a rule with the iron fist. Oitsidenthe big cities, islam and the old ottoman dreams always persisted. Even in Istambul, i saw men leading their mummified wives on a dog leash in 1985. anatolia, the eastern part of Turkey will always be a middle-age backwater. Once islam establishes itself in a country, it close to impossible tonget ridnof it again. It was crystal clear that as soon as Atatürk… Read more »

Franz Beckenbauer
Franz Beckenbauer
Reply to  Franz Beckenbauer
July 1, 2021

And today turkey is a failed state run by a gang of thugs. That’s the pattern in all muslim states. That the EU still talks to this ruthless godfather and even finances him s beyond gross. But at least they get a seat on a sofa now and then.

Helga I. Fellay
Helga I. Fellay
Reply to  Franz Beckenbauer
July 1, 2021

If you actually saw “mummified wives on a dog leash” in Istanbul, they must have been Saudi tourists. Not even in the farthest southeastern Anatolian borderlands are Turkish women “mummified” nor led on dog leashes. They tend to wear longer skirts and head scarves there, that’s as far as it goes. Don’t make stuff up. It doesn’t make you look smart.

Gulan Heights
Gulan Heights
June 30, 2021

Well, didn’t they once already try to overthrow and assassinate him?

wootendw
wootendw
Reply to  Gulan Heights
July 1, 2021

Yes. Russia warned him despite Turkey’s having shot down a Russian plane less than a year earlier. Resulted in a diplomatic coup for Putin.

Helga I. Fellay
Helga I. Fellay
Reply to  wootendw
July 1, 2021

Putin actually saved Erdogan’s life with a phone call literally minutes before Erdogan was about to board a plane which was supposed to lead to his demise. This also shows how well informed Putin is about every dirty little trick our CIA is up to.

Helga I. Fellay
Helga I. Fellay
Reply to  Gulan Heights
July 1, 2021

The CIA did in July 2016. But the Turkish people themselves rose up against and stopped the military coup and overwhelmed the soldiers by their sheer numbers. And that was in the cities where Erdogan has no support. But when faced with a foreign coup, they rose up in support of their president, however unpopular he may be.

Beatus
Beatus
July 1, 2021

Turkey is the first of a number of dominos teetering toward Russia and China. When it falls others will follow in succession. This will be determined by reality and genuine interest rather than the out-dated dogma of countries with a colonial past and a present imperial intent.

Helga I. Fellay
Helga I. Fellay
Reply to  Beatus
July 1, 2021

What makes you think Turkey is going to fall? Don’t underestimate the resourceful Turks and their strength. Its economy is currently in tatters due to the effects of the pandemic, like the economies of many countries, especially since tourism is one of its biggest economic resources. But that, too, shall end, as a large segment of tourist dollars comes from Russia, not far away.

Beatus
Beatus
Reply to  Helga I. Fellay
July 1, 2021

What I meant with Turkey being a teetering and falling domino is not Turkey failing economically. What I meant was, it will fall into the sphere of influence of Russia and China. As a consequence other former members of the Western bloc will do the same. This will be a good thing for these countries, since they will be able to do what is in their genuine interest.

Helga I. Fellay
Helga I. Fellay
Reply to  Beatus
July 2, 2021

Sorry I misunderstood. I think Turkey has always been under some influence of Russia, its neighbor, part of which was under Ottoman rule and Turkey has many Russian immigrants. China is the country turkic peoples, ancestors of today’s Turks, originally came from (from the Uyghurs, recently in the propaganda MSM). So Turkey has a form of relationship, however small it may be, with both, as it has with the part of Southern and South-eastern Europe, Arab and North African countries, which were all once part of the Ottoman Empire. The Ottomans imported their slaves and servants from all over the… Read more »

gte
gte
July 1, 2021

The neocons could not change their socks if they had a set of instructions in front of them let a lone get rid of Erdogan. They are a self appreciation society who cannot stop telling each other what a fantastic group they have formed. It borders on narcissism on a gargantuan scale.
The old “war horse” are long gone and all you have is these incompetents. A perfect example are the EU. Lavarov said about the EU “An incompetent ideological enterprise; a kind of quasi-party committee run by incompetent buffoons.”
That’s is what is in the west today.

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