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Update on the MH17 Case

Submitted by Eric Zuesse…

The Netherlands Government is resisting an effort by Dutch victims’ families to find out why Ukraine’s Government, on 17 July 2014 — when the Malaysian airliner MH17 was shot down while flying over Ukraine’s civil-war zone — this passenger-plane had been guided by Ukraine’s air-traffic control to fly through, instead of around (as it instructed other airliners), the war-zone. On 1 October 2019, now more than five years after 196 Dutch nationals had died from that incident, Holland’s RTL News headlined (as autotranslated into English) “Cabinet considers research into Ukraine’s role in disaster MH17”, and reported that “The cabinet will examine whether further research is possible on the role of Ukraine in the disaster with flight MH17,” because “A proposal … for the investigation received the support of all Parties present in the second chamber” of Holland’s parliament. This news-report said that, “So far, the cabinet has not taken any steps against Ukraine. As far as we know, nothing is happening behind the scenes.” Furthermore: “Last year, the Netherlands, together with Australia, decided to make Russia as a country liable. For the liability of Ukraine, according to the cabinet, there was ‘no evidence’ and also ‘no research needed’.” Moreover, Dutch Foreign Minister Stefan Blok said that “We don’t see any reason for an investigation” into that, because “The government is trying to maintain its relationship with Ukraine,” and “because then both the airspace of Ukraine and that of Russia should be looked at,” and because “there are still no indications that Ukraine can also be held liable.” But actually, from the very start of that investigation, there has been a secret agreement not to blame Ukraine for anything having to do with the incident. This agreement is kept secret from the Dutch people. Blok, in resisting to investigate why the MH17 was guided over the civil-war zone, was simply adhering to the secret agreement that Netherlands had signed with Ukraine on 8 August 2014. If he were to agree to the families’ demand, he still would be obligated, by Holland’s 8 August 2014 agreement with Ukraine, to find Ukraine not to have perpetrated the downing. But the families don’t know this.

As I reported back on 24 August 2014, a secret agreement had been signed on August 8th between Netherlands, Ukraine, Belgium, and Australia, that Ukraine would have veto-power over any finding that their official “Joint Investigation Team” (“JIT”) would issue regarding the shoot-down of the MH17. Malaysia was excluded from the Team, but was finally admitted, after agreeing to their secret terms — including not to blame Ukraine. Russia’s RT headlined on 20 November 2014 “Dutch government refuses to reveal ‘secret deal’ into MH17 crash probe” and revealed that the Dutch Government was refusing to comply with its own Freedom of Information law by keeping this agreement secret. On 14 June 2016, the website “What Happened to Flight MH17” headlined “The vague role of Malaysia in the Joint Investigation Team” and reported that the JIT had actually been officially formed on 7 August 2014, and noted that, “In the limited number of public communications by JIT it is not mentioned what the role of Malaysia is in the criminal investigation.” (Malaysia, unlike those other four nations, isn’t a member of America’s core anti-Russia alliance, which includes NATO and Australia, but is instead a neutral nation and therefore considered untrustworthy by the others.) Subsequently, on 21 July 2019, John Helmer and Max van der Werff revealed that Malaysia’s Government rejects the ‘findings’ by the JIT (which, with no reservations, blame Russia for downing the MH17), but that Malaysia isn’t violating the 8 August 2014 secret agreement, since Malaysia isn’t saying Ukraine did it. Instead, Malaysia is saying that further investigations are needed, and that Malaysia possesses the black boxes and other crucial evidence.

The present report is an update regarding the entire matter of the shoot-down on 17 July 2014 of the MH17 Malaysian airliner over the breakaway Donetsk region of Ukraine. The additional facts which will be reported here regarding the MH17 incident shock me. I knew that U.S. President Barack Obama had become desperate for something to happen that would persuade German Chancellor Angela Merkel to endorse added sanctions against Russia regarding Ukraine, but I had had no idea, until now, as to what direct involvement, if any, he had had in the actual setting-up of the MH17 shoot-down. All of the source-evidence for the following can be clicked-through-to here by the reader, and this is important to do, for any reader who is skeptical (as all ought to be) and who wants to see source-evidence, for any assertion that seems outlandish. It’s important especially because the case which will be presented here stuns even me, who had voted three times for Obama, first in his 2008 primary against Hillary Clinton, then once again in his 2008 general election contest against Republican John McCain; and then, finally, once more, yet again, in his 2012 general election contest against Republican Mitt Romney (who, incidentally, right now, is arguing for Trump’s impeachment and replacement by Mike Pence; and who is famous for having said, in his 2012 campaign against Obama, that “Russia, this is, without question, our number one geopolitical foe”). I knew that Obama was the lesser of two evils, but I now recognize that I had had no idea of how evil that actually was. Here I shall report what I now know. This extensively documented reconstruction, of the MH17 incident and of how it came about, seems to me to disprove the fundamental Western ‘historical’ narrative about contemporary international relations, and to signal the necessity for a fundamental rewrite of the mainstream view of world history in our era. At the very least, it disproves that view — the mainstream view or ‘history’ of our time. Whatever the truth might be, it certainly cannot be anything even approximating that ‘historical’ mainstream. Mainstream recent ‘history’ is, now more clearly than ever before, a sinister and carefully orchestrated myth, as will be demonstrated here in what follows.

The essential background information regarding the MH17 must be presented at the start, and it’s accurately portrayed in an 11-minute video. The first-ever news-report to display and assemble in an easily comprehensible way all of the crucial facts constituting the background context that’s necessary in order to understand the MH17 event and what caused it, was an 11-minute video compilation, which was uploaded to youtube on 12 March 2014, and which you can see here. It’s 100% true, nothing at all deceptive in any way, and it still remains, in my opinion (after my seeing it around 50 times and considering it from a multitude of different perspectives), absolutely a masterpiece, the only perfect public-affairs video that I have ever seen. Beyond that essential background information to the MH17 event, now follows (and entirely within that factual background-context), a summary in more detail, focusing in, or zooming onto, the MH17 event itself, more closely:

This will be a summary, which — since it might seem incredible to anyone who doesn’t already know the evidence — will immediately be followed by the evidence, all clickable here to each source (though not necessarily via only a single click). The first sentence of the summary will summarize the essential background information to the MH17 event — meaning here only information on the background that’s essential in order to be able to understand the context in which the information that is to be newly introduced here regarding the MH17 event will fit into that bigger picture — and this opening sentence will therefore itself be linked to more-detailed summaries of key aspects of that background part, each aspect of which itself contains links to all of the source-evidences there regarding that aspect of the deepest background, so that the full background will be accessible from the links that are provided here, and the new information, which is to be provided at the end, will be entirely understandable within the context of that full background.

Here, then, is the overall summary, including the heavily-linked opening sentence regarding this event’s deep background:

President Obama not only perpetrated the February 2014 bloody coup in Ukraine which he had started by no later than 2011 to plan and placed into operation on 1 March 2013 inside the U.S. Embassy in Kiev (months before the democratically elected Ukrainian President whom he was to overthrow decided for Ukraine not to accept the EU’s offer of membership), but Obama and his NATO were so determined to reverse the coup’s resulting breakaway, from Ukraine, of Ukraine’s two most anti-nazi districts, Crimea and Donetsk, that Obama and his NATO then set up the shoot-down of the MH17 airliner by Obama’s newly-installed nazi Ukrainian government, with the objective being to promptly blame it against Russia. Obama was, at that time, in early July 2014, desperate for there to be a pretext on which the European Union would join the U.S. in greatly hiking sanctions against Russia regarding Ukraine. What the most-recent information will show is this: Obama and his NATO were intending to use this false accusation against Russia as a pretext not only to hike anti-Russia sanctions but ultimately to invade both Donetsk and Crimea and risk WW III in order to coerce those two regions back again into Ukraine — now to become (like the rest of Ukraine) under the control of the U.S. regime. The reasons why that plan failed (was aborted) were, first, that Malaysia’s Government held in international law the unchallengeable right of ownership over the airliner’s black boxes; and, second, that there was especially one member of NATO, Angela Merkel, who refused to risk WW III and to join into Obama’s extremely psychopathic scheme, since it risked the whole world over his determination to grab the entirety of Ukraine. Obama always refused to proceed forward with a geostrategic plan if it was strongly opposed by at least one core ally — in this particular instance, he knew enough not to drive Germany to abandon NATO and to ally with Russia (especially since Russia itself was his actual target in his coup to take over Ukraine). By declining to move forward without Merkel, all of those immediate risks to the world were avoided. Furthermore, Malaysia’s holding the black boxes was especially a problem for Obama and NATO, because any preparation for a U.S.-NATO invasion of Donbass and Crimea would spark Malaysia to go public with what it already knew about the U.S.-NATO lies regarding the MH17 incident. Obama possessed no ability to prevent that response from Malaysia. Not only Germany, but also Malaysia, possessed power in this situation, and Obama, fortunately, yielded to it. (Of course, the great worry about Trump is that if he gets into a similar situation, he might move forward regardless.)

Also noteworthy — especially for Dutch citizens and the families of the passengers on that airliner — the Netherlands Government had been one of the largest financial backers of the February 2014 U.S.-planned overthrow of Ukraine’s democratically elected President. For example, it was the largest single donor, listed at $793,089, to Hromadske TV, which was the leading station that advocated for forcing that President out of power. Whereas the U.S. Government had organized and ran the overthrow, and spent far more on it (over $5 billion) than did any other nation or individual, the U.S. was only the second-largest donor to that station, at $399,650. So: Holland’s government had a significant investment in the post-coup regime, even before that post-coup regime shot down the MH17 plane and thereby slaughtered its 283 passengers, of whom 196 were Dutch. This is yet another reason why the Dutch Government’s heading this investigation in which Ukraine — another member — should be a suspect but is instead a juror, nullifies any rational authority to its ‘findings’.

One of my more important early news-reports regarding the MH17 case was the 24 August 2014 “MH-17 ‘Investigation’: Secret August 8th Agreement Seeps Out”, which article, referenced near the opening of the present article, documented that the secret agreement amongst the 4-party official MH17 ‘investigative’ team — Netherlands, Australia, Belgium, and Ukraine — gave each one of those governments an absolute veto over any public announcement or ‘finding’ from the ‘investigation’, so that if Ukraine, which was a prime suspect in the incident, were to disapprove a ‘finding’, then the team wouldn’t be allowed to issue it. This is like giving a murder-suspect veto-power over the investigation into the murder. It shows how poisoned that whole official ‘investigation’ was, even at its very start. This is important to understand.

Another especially relevant news-report from me was the 7 June 2015 “Obama Sidelines Kerry on Ukraine Policy”, which noted that Obama supported the position of Victoria Nuland, the Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs, who favored the U.S. backing an all-out invasion of Crimea and Donbass by Ukraine, and that Obama rejected the position of her boss, John Kerry, the Secretary of State, who opposed that policy. “Kerry, for his part, now faces the decision as to whether to quit … or else for Kerry to stay in office and be disrespected in all capitals for his staying on after having been so blatantly contradicted by his subordinate.” (This wasn’t the only instance when Obama trashed Kerry’s work: he likewise did it when Kerry favored the U.S. agreeing with Russia that, in a Syrian-war cease-fire, not only ISIS but also Al Qaeda-led forces in Syria could continue to be bombed. Russia was bombing both, but Obama refused to accept a ceasefire in which Russia would be allowed to continue its bombing of Al Qaeda, not only of ISIS. It was the ultimate humiliation of Kerry, and effectively ended his career in government.) This displays Obama’s profound hatred of Russia.

My last major report on MH17 was on 31 December 2018, “MH17 Turnabout: Ukraine’s Guilt Now Proven”. That presents conclusive checkmate against the U.S.-NATO case blaming Russia for MH17 (that case being run by the Netherlands Government, which simply ignores its case having become disproven by that evidence).

Here’s the more-recent report, what I did not previously know, which comes from the great independent Western journalist living in Moscow, John Helmer; and presented here are the highlights from his report — a report that fills-in crucial additional details of the same historical narrative that I have previously documented regarding the MH17 incident:

“MH17 Evidence Tampering Revealed by Malaysia – FBI Attempt to Seize Black Boxes; Dutch Cover-Up of Forged Telephone Tapes; Ukrainian Air Force Hid Radar Records; Crash Site Witness Testimony Misreported”

John Helmer, 21 July 2019

A new documentary from Max van der Werff, the leading independent investigator of the Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 disaster, has revealed breakthrough evidence of tampering and forging of prosecution materials; suppression of Ukrainian Air Force radar tapes; and lying by the Dutch, Ukrainian, US and Australian governments. An attempt by agents of the US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) to take possession of the black boxes of the downed aircraft is also revealed by a Malaysian National Security Council official for the first time.

The sources of the breakthrough are Malaysian — Prime Minister of Malaysia Mohamad Mahathir; Colonel Mohamad Sakri, the officer in charge of the MH17 investigation for the Prime Minister’s Department and Malaysia’s National Security Council following the crash on July 17, 2014; and a forensic analysis by Malaysia’s OG IT Forensic Services of Ukrainian Secret Service (SBU) telephone tapes which Dutch prosecutors have announced as genuine. …

Watch it in full here. …

The film reveals the Malaysian Government’s evidence for judging the [Joint Investigative Team] JIT’s witness testimony, photographs, video clips, and telephone tapes to have been manipulated by the Ukrainian Security Service (SBU), and to be inadmissible in a criminal prosecution in a Malaysian or other national or international court.

For the first time also, the Malaysian Government reveals how it got in the way of attempts the US was organizing during the first week after the crash to launch a NATO military attack on eastern Ukraine. The cover story for that was to rescue the plane, passenger bodies, and evidence of what had caused the crash. In fact, the operation was aimed at defeating the separatist movements in the Donbass, and to move against Russian-held Crimea.

The new film reveals that a secret Malaysian military operation took custody of the MH17 black boxes on July 22, preventing the US and Ukraine from seizing them. The Malaysian operation, revealed in the film by the Malaysian Army colonel who led it, eliminated the evidence for the camouflage story, reinforcing the German Government’s opposition to the armed attack, and forcing the Dutch to call off the invasion on July 27. …

Although German opposition to military intervention forced its cancellation, the Australians sent a 200-man special forces unit to The Netherlands and then Kiev. …
The new film reveals in an interview with Colonel Mohamad Sakri, the head of the Malaysian team, what happened next. Sakri’s evidence, filmed in his office at Putrajaya, is the first to be reported by the press outside Malaysia in five years. A year ago, Sakri gave a partial account of his mission to a Malaysian newspaper.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/

“I talked to my prime minister [Najib],” Colonel Sakri says. “He directed me to go to the crash site immediately.” At the time Sakri was a senior security official at the Disaster Management Division of the Prime Minister’s Department. Sakri says that after arriving in Kiev, Poroshenko’s officials blocked the Malaysians. “We were not allowed to go there…so I took a small team to leave Kiev going to Donetsk secretly.”

Sakri goes on to say he was asked by the [nominally nonpartisan] OSCE’s special monitoring mission for Ukraine to hand over the black boxes; he refused. He was then met by agents of the FBI (Min 6:56). “They approached me to show them the black box. I said no.” He also reports that in Kiev the Ukrainian Government tried “forcing me to leave the black boxes with them. We said no. We cannot. We cannot allow.”

The handover ceremony in Donetsk, July 22, 2014: on far left, the two black boxes from MH17; in the centre, shaking hands, Alexander Borodai and Mohamad Sakri…

Van der Werff and Yerlashova contracted with OG IT Forensic Services, a Malaysian firm specializing in forensic analysis of audio, video and digital materials for court proceedings, to examine the telephone tapes. The Kuala Lumpur firm has been endorsed by the Malaysian Bar. The full 143-page technical report can be read here.

The findings reported by Akash Rosen and illustrated on camera are that the telephone recordings have been cut, edited and fabricated. The source of the tapes, according to the JIT press conference on June 19 by Dutch police officer Paulissen, head of the National Criminal Investigation Service of The Netherlands, was the Ukrainian SBU. Similar findings of tape fabrication and evidence tampering are reported on camera in the van der Werff film by a German analyst, Norman Ritter. …


CLOSING NOTE: The present article was offered as an exclusive to virtually all mainstream news-media in the U.S. and its major allied countries, none of which responded. It therefore is not copyrighted, and is instead available to all news-media, free of charge, for publication. Readers are therefore encouraged to distribute it to others without any limitation.


Investigative historian Eric Zuesse is the author, most recently, of They’re Not Even Close: The Democratic vs. Republican Economic Records, 1910-2010, and of CHRIST’S VENTRILOQUISTS: The Event that Created Christianity.

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Hawaiiguy

This deserves a proper Alex and Alex with you as there guest along with the supporting investigation analyst form Germany? who reviewed the holes in the plane and linked them to Ukrainian equipment. Expose everything on this and go ahead and conspire to tie Biden and Clinton to it, it’s the least those murderous mongers deserve😊

What's Biden Hidin'?
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What's Biden Hidin'?

Covering up crimes by America’s toadies, ehr, I mean allies? Why, I never heard of such a thing. It might, God forbid, lead to charges of complicity.

PS: I spent a good part of yesterday evening perusing the long history of the Biden nepotism racket and its sordid history with various schemers, convicted racketeers and money launderers. I now understand what drew the son so quickly to the Burisma team, like a magnet no less. Old habits die hard.

Azov BatsInHisBelfry
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Azov BatsInHisBelfry

When’s Kurt Volkyrie joining the MSM lineup? I hear he’s juggling offers between CNN and MSNBC now.

Kurt’s sort of a reverse Operation Valkyrie……….how to empower Nazis in Ukraine, not remove them.

Hunter Gatherer
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Hunter Gatherer

Have carpetbag, will travel. That’s my motto. Nothing like a carpetbag stuffed with fresh greenbacks for the ride home.

Guy
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Guy

There was never any doubt in my mind as to the US/Kiev involvement as to who the guilty party was ,just follow the first principle of any investigation ,Cui Bono . The direct involvement of the President of the US ,Obama ,is a shocker .

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Turkish Delights

Obama always had a soft spot for the Muslim Brotherhood, prob. from reading the autobiography of Malcolm X. He likely left it to Turkey to explain the synergy between them and al Qaeda in Syria, or maybe Morsi even. The rest is history, or infamy – as the case may be..

Netanyahoo preferred cartoon bombs for American show and tell. Erdogan most likely preferred cartoon Venn diagrams.

True Story
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True Story

I ran into a couple of vacationing Dutchmen in Klaipeda, Lithuania not long after MH-17 and I asked them point blank yet in a friendly manner who they thought was likely responsible for the shoot down. They both hesitated a few seconds then said in unison ‘Ukraine’.

Torben Daluegge
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Torben Daluegge

True Story My arse! You are a dick sheep!

True Story
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True Story

It IS very definitely true. Sorry if it offends your ignorance. PS: I’m an American, which may or may not be a dick sheep (whatever that is) depending on your world view.

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Lots of Laughs

Oh, one of those Danish Nazis born of a chance encounter……..now I understand.

Grandpa? Kurt Max Franz Daluege was the chief of the national uniformed Ordnungspolizei of Nazi Germany.

Platon
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Platon

‘A chance encounter’ between a chair and an asshole.

Govert
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Govert

I see. To find the perpetrators in a crime, all we need to do is ask a couple of vacationers. No more expensive time consuming investigations.

Where have I seen your comment before?

Govert
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Govert

Got it!

Four years ago. Russia Insider. “American Graffiti”

“I met two Dutchmen in Palanga (Lithuania) last spring and casually asked them what they thought about MH17. First words out of both their mouths were “Ukrainians probably did it’.”

Only now it is Klaipeda. Well, memories fade. But not mine…

remo
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remo

Deepsnake ATC pulled MH17 over the conflict area,
the fracking and OIL rights of which were, or are, ‘owned’
by those who must not be named…

and they shot it down.

Deployed the tweetering MOCKINGBIRDs;
the bent Judiciary through JIT
and ‘Smell-arat-Higgins” to dissemble the blame onto long suffering Russia.

A HateCrime of monumental proportion.

Unca’ Joe B, false teeth firmly set in the carcass,
and his ‘Rosemont boys’ on BURISMA.
Turned the money tap ‘ON.’

AM Hants
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AM Hants

This so needs sharing. Do like the work of Eric Zeusse.

Who're They Trying to Kid?
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Who're They Trying to Kid?

It doesn’t take a ‘great and unmatched wisdom’ (I still can’t stop interspersing laughs and head shakes over that one), to realize that as soon as Ukraine was included (with veto power no less) and Malaysia excluded from the JIT, that the fix was IN and I mean IN, in spades.

pogohere
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pogohere

“. . .but I had had no idea, until now, as to what direct involvement, if any, he had had in the actual setting-up of the MH17 shoot-down.”

In so many words, what was Obama’s direct involvement ?

Torben Daluegge
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Torben Daluegge

What a load of crap! I must say the Russians and alcoholic knuckle-dragers in the puppet States of Eastern Ukraine must think the rest of the world are really gullible if they expect them to swallow this shit!

Dumbing Down the World.........
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Dumbing Down the World.........

………..one post at a time.

You are quite a strange fellow I must admit. From your flowing choice of prose, I’d have to say you’re quite the born knuckle-dragger yourself, so to accuse others of such traits is thoroughly amusing. If I had to guess, I’d say die-hard skinhead. Am I right?

Torben Daluegge
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Torben Daluegge
Here Comes the Turnip Truck
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Here Comes the Turnip Truck

LOL….. might as well take your cues direct from MAD Magazine or the SBU as from that outfit and just skip the middleman.

Platon
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Platon

Anyone who cites such CIAIPAC/Mossad consent-manufacturing sites is a lying asshole. It is that simple.

Animal Farm
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Animal Farm

Next thing, Turnip’ll be posting propaganda from PropOrNot, with a few flourishes thrown in from Integrity Initiative and some self-generated evidence from New Knowledge and green lighted by NewsGuard. 😉

I love these names. It’s like we’re all living in a Samuel Becket play or in Turnip’s case, a Leni Riefenstahl film. Somebody had a really wry sense of humor thinking those names up.

William H Warrick III MD
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William H Warrick III MD

That the Ukraine government sent MH-17 over a Warzone was known back then. Russia published the Radar images on the Global Research website. Of course that was a “Conspiracy Theory”, or “Russian Lies”. They went along with the Program and lost out.

Govert
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Govert

Mr Zuesse, I have a question for you. In fact I have many questions, but let’s try this one first. Why was flight SIA351, aka SQ351, flying where it was flying on July 17th 2014, 2 minutes behind MH17? Was it sent there? Where was flight AI113 heading and from which direction did it come? Under whose air traffic control was that flight before it crossed the border?

vic lewis
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vic lewis

Russia’s Kursk anti aircraft missile shot down MH17

Franz Kunz
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Franz Kunz

Absolutely, and I am Pope John Paul III, as you also know.

AM Hants
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AM Hants

Obama has a lot of dirt on his hands. This article, below, compliments the above, when looking into the actions of Obama, during his time in office.

BOOM! Rush Limbaugh Plays James Clapper Audio Admitting Obama Made Them Spy on Trump! (AUDIO)… https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/10/boom-rush-limbaugh-plays-james-clapper-audio-admitting-obama-made-them-spy-on-trump-audio/

Ammon Ammo
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Ammon Ammo

This is an outstanding article and breakdown of facts. Thank you for all the effort getting this out in the open – this like so many other tragedies followed by misdirection need to be constantly reestablished into public discourse until a time comes that the truth is made available to the public mainstream.

Platon
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Platon

The solution to most evil is simple; 9 grams of lead.
You do not even need to belong to a group or party.
You just need to think a bit and have a common sense of decency.
And a little altruism.
It would take about three months to cleanse the world of most of its evil ones.

BobValdez
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BobValdez

No-one has ever explained why EXPIRED passports were found at the crash site. NO in-date passport was EVER found. Why weren’t the “families” in question ever allowed to view the contents of the coffins, or the “autopsy” results? Was it because there were NO bodies inside? Or were they NOT the “bodies” of their alleged “loved ones”. How is it that serial numbers on the aircraft components have been obliterated, to prevent their origin being found? Is that because it was, and always has been, the “missing” MH370? I don’t believe in coincedence. If there is ANY doubt, then there… Read more »

Govert
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Govert

“The Netherlands Government is resisting an effort by Dutch victims’ families to find out why Ukraine’s Government, on 17 July 2014 (…) this passenger-plane had been guided by Ukraine’s air-traffic control to fly through, instead of around (as it instructed other airliners), the war-zone.” I don’t think that The Netherlands Government is resisting anything like that. They are fully aware of it that it [“guided to fly through, instead…”] is nonsense. On that fatal day the plane followed its planned route, as can easily be verified by checking MAS’s flight plan for the 17th. Not a single indication that it… Read more »

gra gor
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gra gor

How much does the ABC get from their government? BBC? CBC? All government sponsored networks spouting off NATO propaganda. It cuts both ways but out here in ‘the west’ this inconvenient fact is never pointed out.

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