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The Pences: defenders of Christian values in the White House

A companion article noted that Christian believers in the US are seeking to help stand for those Christians in far off lands who are being martyred and persecuted for their faith at the hands of ISIS and other cruel religious and secular forces. But we also noted that this problem is extremely fierce in the Western “Christian” world, but the attacks try to bring Christian life to irrelevance and “shame it out of existence.”

An example of this in action came from Yahoo.com, carrying a news piece from AFP. Here is that piece; we have added emphases to focus on our point:

On page 11 of an application to work at a private Christian school in Virginia, teachers are bluntly asked to pledge to “maintain a lifestyle based on biblical standards of moral conduct.” It goes on to say banned conduct includes, but is not limited, to: “heterosexual activity outside of marriage (e.g. premarital sex, cohabitation, extramarital sex), homosexual or lesbian sexual activity, polygamy, transgender identity” or “any other violation of the unique roles of male and female.”

Students at the Immanuel Christian School — who range in age from five to 14 — are also banned from engaging in “homosexual or bi-sexual activity,” according to an agreement parents must sign before enrollment. Vice President Mike Pence’s wife Karen is once again teaching art at the school in Washington’s suburbs — sparking anger from gay rights advocates who say it sends the wrong message from the inner circles of US power. “We’ll let the critics roll off our backs,” Pence said in an interview with Catholic television network EWTN. But he added: “The criticism of Christian education in America should stop.”

Of course, the Pence family’s brand of religious conservatism is exactly why Donald Trump chose him as a running mate in July 2016.

– Pro-prayer, anti-abortion –

At that time, Pence was the governor of Indiana and a former congressman with a low national profile. He had a few crowning achievements to boast of — a state anti-abortion law and a “religious freedom law” that said individuals and companies wishing not to serve gay and lesbian customers could cite a “substantial burden” on their religious beliefs as a reason.

An amendment was eventually passed to provide protections for LGBT citizens.

The anti-abortion law added limits to access, banning those motivated by the fetus’s race, gender or disability. But it was eventually blocked in the courts. Nevertheless, the two initiatives had burnished Pence’s reputation as a champion of the religious right. Since taking office as vice president, the 59-year-old Pence — who seems to make it his business not to make waves — regularly appears alongside the 45th president of the United States.

In meetings, he often takes a back seat, his lips sealed and his head nodding in approval. When he speaks in public, he never misses a chance to voice his admiration for the man who brought him back to Washington.

On the face of it, they could not be more different — Trump is brash, twice divorced, vocal about his sexual conquests and doesn’t seem to have a tight grasp on biblical passages. Pence meanwhile said last year: “I do try and start every day reading the Bible. My wife and I try to have a prayer together before I leave the house every morning.” On Thursday, the vice president was set to host a roundtable for pro-abortion rights activists on the eve of the March for Life, a major annual anti-abortion rally in Washington. Pence was the first vice president to speak at the march in 2017.

“We will not rest, until we restore a culture of life in America for ourselves and our posterity,” Pence told the crowd.

– The fight continues –

Mike and Karen Pence met at church — an evangelical Protestant congregation. One in four Americans associates with the movement. Today, they are often seen holding hands when they are together in public. Pence often begins his tweets by saying, “Karen and I are praying for…”

They are reportedly inseparable — a fact that sometimes sparks mockery. In 2002, Mike Pence, then a lawmaker, infamously told The Hill that he never ate alone with a woman other than Karen, and that he would not accept an invitation to an event where alcohol was being served if she were not there. “If there’s alcohol being served and people are being loose, I want to have the best-looking brunette in the room standing next to me,” Pence told the Washington paper.

While he has often joked about his traditional views of coupledom, he has never denied them. Karen Pence, 62, shares her husband’s conservative beliefs. In 1991, she wrote to The Indianapolis Star newspaper to complain about an article that, she claimed, encouraged children to think they were gay or lesbian, according to a copy of the letter released by The Washington Post. Since that time, gay marriage has become the law of the land — legal across the country. But there is no explicit federal ban on discriminating against someone for their sexual orientation, which allows employers like the Immanual Christian School to maintain its rules against “sexual immorality.”

For the Pences, as for other evangelicals, the battle continues.

The thing that is stunning about this news piece is that it casts what are traditionally Christian values and a traditionally good Christian family in a negative light. For AFP and Yahoo, the Pences are an anomaly, a throwback that needs to be thrown back. The contemporary reader is more likely to mock the “backwardness” of Family Pence rather than see their lifestyles as honorable.

This is the nature of the attack against Christianity in our country.

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Gio Con

I think the author misses the point. Traditional Christian values and a traditionally good Christian family are private affairs. The state has no right to mandate them for all Americans. Unfortunately, Christians are the only religious group in America that attempts to mandate its values into law for everyone. There is no place for that kind of religious fascism in America.

Olivia Kroth
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Right on! “Traditional Christian values” from the US Bible Belt are not the only values that count.

Platon
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Platon

Congratulations! I see that the latest Hasbara/CIA talking point and recently minted neologism; ‘Christo-Fascism’ has already crossed your desk. It also hit the net elsewhere yesterday in a paranoid article by Moishe Michel, in which he attacks Christian home-schooling and sees sinister connotations in Russian and US home-schooling enthusiasts actually talking to each other. It is odd how Globalist Judaeo-Fascists can talk to each other, Woody Allen-style (non-stop), and no one says a word. But the term will be still-born I predict, as was Islamo-Fascism (except among MSM presstitutes for awhile). The problem for the linguistic conspirators is that Christianity… Read more »

Platon
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Platon

May I point you in the direction of the Judeao-Fascist law, sponsored by AIPAC, and recently passed in most of these United States, outlawing the BDS movement?

In what way does your following claim not apply far more perfectly following my one word correction?

“The state has no right to mandate them for all Americans. Unfortunately, Jews are the only religious group in America that attempts to mandate its values into law for everyone. There is no place for that kind of religious fascism in America”

Platon
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Platon

“Traditional Christian values and a traditionally good Christian family are private affairs.” Is this theologically informed opinion, or did you pull it out of some dark, private place at body temperature?

Olivia Kroth
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What a nasty and vulgar comment to Gio Con who is simply writing his opinion, like everybody else. Platon’s hateful, spiteful personality is pathologic.

Platon
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Platon

You are transparent.
“Always accuse others of what you are doing.” Golda Meir and Osip Goebbels.

Olivia Kroth
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Thank you for the compliment, dear Platon. I quite like Golda Meir. She was a great woman. Everytime I go to the Central Choral Synagogue in Moscow for Shabbat, I sit in her seat and think of her. She loved Moscow, just like I do. There is a guilded plaque with her name in the upstairs section for women in the Synagogue. That’s where I sit, right there, remembering Golda Meir. I am very glad you mentioned her name. That is the first sensible comment you gave here on this topic, sorry to say. But all’s not lost. Even your… Read more »

Olivia Kroth
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More info about Golda Meir in Russia can be found in Haaretz.com:

“… in 1948, Golda Meir, newly arrived in Moscow as Israel’s first ambassador to the Soviet Union, showed up at the capital’s Choral Synagogue on the first day of Rosh Hashana. The State of Israel had been declared less than five months earlier, and the government of Joseph Stalin had been the second country to officially recognize the new nation …”

Platon
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Platon

Trust me, no one gives a shit about your early lesbian gran, Golda.

Platon
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Platon

Golda Meir is a man.
Too bad the pale of settlement was breached.

Shaun Ramewe
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Shaun Ramewe

Sick joke of the day!!

Olivia Kroth
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No, Shaun. It is not a joke. Priest Hanish is preaching again. We must all better ourselves and be “good Christians” now. The Christianization of heathen DURAN readers is in full swing.

Platon
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Platon

I am not certain just how Christian Evangelical Protestants are but the certainty that they are more Christian than Steven Suckerberg and Victoria Nuland is at least a start.

Olivia Kroth
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Steven Zuckerberg cannot be a Christian because he is of Jewish faith. So where is the logic in your comment?

Platon
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Platon

He could convert.
But the semantic ‘logic’ is in the absurdity and hyperbolic nature of the comparison.
Perhaps diacritic marks around
Christian would have helped.

Olivia Kroth
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Of course Mr. Zuckerberg could convert but obviously he does not want to convert. He likes the Judaic religion. And the Judaic law says: Born a Jew, you remain a Jew, no matter to which religion you convert.

You could also convert to Judaism, Plato. Would you want to? Probably not, as you display rather strong antisemitic tendencies in your commentaries.

Never mind! We are all open-minded and tolerant. We even understand that some commentators need to spill hatred against Jews.

Platon
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Platon

Gee! Judaism sounds more than a bit Fascist. Or like some other ‘Omerta’, ‘offer you can’t refuse’ Mafia kind of thing. I won’t mention the infant genital mutilation thingy (more than once) which you seem to make sit well somehow with your other liberal feminist views. Most ‘unexceptionals’ would become schizoid making all that hang together as anything but a reprehensible and shameful set of ‘practices’. So, kudos to you for making it work… I guess. “Never mind! We are all open-minded and tolerant. We even understand that some commentators need to spill hatred against Christians [I fixed it for… Read more »

Platon
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Platon

He could convert.

But more seriously, the semantic ‘logic’ is in the absurdity and hyperbolic nature of the comparison. Perhaps diacritic marks around
Christian would have helped.

But more likely, nothing would have helped.
Judging by your post above, you seem to be a Christo-phobe.

Olivia Kroth
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No, I am not a Christo-phobe, Plato. But I am a born Jew. And I do not like to be “Christianized” by Priest Hanish’s endless “Christian” articles. It is getting a bit much, especially on weekends, when he dominates the DURAN, because nobody else publishes anything on weekends. Then Priest Hanish converts the DURAN into the US Bible Belts “Postil for Heathens”. Maybe he could work as a Christian missionary in Africa instead of placing one “Christian” article after the other here in the DURAN for the rest of us dumb, uneducated lost souls who are not of Christian faith?… Read more »

Platon
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Platon

Like I said, you can always do Sesame Street or Seinfeld reruns. Unless of course, you love to whine.
Anyway, I do not do flame wars, at least not on the Duran site, so I consider this conversation terminated.

Olivia Kroth
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You might want to join Priest Hanish in the Christianization of Africa. Priest Hanish and Priest Plato (what a heathen name!) on tour with free lessons from the US Bible Belt for all those poor pagans and other “cretins” who do not know that only Christianity is the right belief for “adults”. You are using a rather strange vocabulary, dear preacherman. Mixed together, your bla bla bla sounds like a recipe for intellectual “Eintopf” (potstew). I am quoting from your diverse absurd comments: “Judeao-Fascist law – Hasbara/CIA – hyperbolic nature of the comparison – diacritic marks – ‘unexceptionals’ – schizoid… Read more »

Platon
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Platon

Tell it to the cabal at Bibi’s kosher piss-a parlor and Hasbara troll farm.

Olivia Kroth
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I do not understand your mumbo-jumbo. Could you please write English? Or have you forgotten your native language during your Christian missionary trip to Africa (together with Priest Hanish)?

Paddy Jameson Power
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Paddy Jameson Power

“Biblical standards of moral conduct”? Really? Does that mean the moral imperative of the Old Testament, which celebrates murder, genocide, even exhortations to kill the animals of the enemies of the self chosen people, burning your daughters alive, perverse sexual practises, such as those of Lot, Abraham, David, Solomon and very many more. A fine example to follow, indeed. Not that the New Testament is a lot better, with the sexual hangups of Paul, for example. Jesus, who is lauded as such a perfect example for his followers, compared the Samaritan woman who asked him for help, to a dog.… Read more »

Platon
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Platon

It looks like your source for New Testament quotes and knowledge is the Talmud, or Dawkins, the militant atheist and cretin.

Olivia Kroth
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There is nothing wrong with the Talmud or the Koran. They are holy books, just like the Bible. Do not burn them!

By the way, “cretin” is a rather strong word, very abusive, in connation with religion or the lack thereof.

Platon
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Platon

Talmudist thinking. Sad in an adult.

Olivia Kroth
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Calling others “cretin” speaks volumes about your nasty, sadistic nature. What’s wrong with you? Need some help?

Rootman
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Rootman

The problem with the myriad evangelical fundie nominations and cults is their agressive missionary tendency, their shallow McChristian culure which is as toxic to non western cultures as fast food, their ideological zionism and armaggeddon wet dreams. They vote for pro- US fascists like Bolsonaro in Brasil.

Olivia Kroth
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Too many “Christian” articles by Mr. Hanish for my taste. How about presenting some “Buddhist”, “Hindu”, “Jewish”, “Muslim”, Shaman” articles in the DURAN? Or is this site straight from the US Bible Belt?

Platon
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Platon

I suggest you go to reruns of Sesame Street for that sort of thing.

Olivia Kroth
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And you could return to that old kitsch film, “The Crucifixion of Jesus”.

Platon
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Platon

Thank you, Seraphim, for posting your thoughtful and (judging by the comments below) provocative articles on religion.
They seem to get the possessed among the Duran population, jumping up and down like Ukro-Facist jumping beans, choreographed by the Zionist US State Department, on the Maidan.

Keep the articles coming. As they are effectively banned in the CIA-controlled, Jewish-owned MSM. You have a lot of balance to redress.

Olivia Kroth
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Etcetera bla bla bla talmudic hatred etcetera bla bla bla ukro-fascist jumping beans sesame reruns – prolific buns etcetera bla bla bla jumping up and down nightgown etcetera bla bla bla effectively banned drastically manned theoretically scanned primitively dranned obviously planned etcetera bla bla bla
Jewish-owned Christian-boned Muslim-honed Buddhist-droned Shaman-cloned etcetera bla bla bla
CONVERSATION TERMINATED!

Platon
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Platon

Calling 911 for an electrician for your tripped circuits, Isabella/Vierochka. It is the Christian thing to do.

Olivia Kroth
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My name is Olivia. Do you need reading glasses, Platon? Are you sure you are quite ok? You seem to have moments of mental blackout. Please, take your medication.

Platon
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Platon

This one is for Olivia Kroth AKA Vierotchka and Vera Gottlieb:
Remembering your words: “And the Judaic law says: Born a Jew, you remain a Jew, no matter to which religion you convert.”
So, here is a confession coming from your fellow Jew.

Olivia Kroth
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I am neither Vierochka nor Vera Gottlieb. My name is Olivia Kroth, and I write under this name. I do not use any facades like you, Platon, because I am proud of my name. I do not need to hide behind anonymous shades like you do. Whether you appreciate it or not, this is Judaic law: A born Jew will always remain a Jew, whatever other confession he converts to. Gladly, most Jews do not convert. And we do not need your permission, “Platon”, to practice our religion and adhere to our faith. By the way, when did you die,… Read more »

Platon
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Platon
Rastislav Veľká Morava
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Rastislav Veľká Morava

Thank you Platon!
Nudelman’s conversation is a good introduction as any to these non-semitic khazars who call falsely themselves “Jews”

This ethnic Khazarian Mafia has so infested the USA, and the west, and led it to circle the drain, as is what is happening today.

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