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Russia’s Debate About Whether to Destroy The World

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Eric Zuesse (blogs at https://theduran.com/author/eric-zuesse/)

A nuclear war between NATO and Russia would be virtually certain to destroy the world (half of humans starving to death within two years), but ever since the Russian national-defense theoretician Sergei Karaganov proposed on 13 June 2023 that his nation adopt a policy which would allow a pre-emptive first-strike nuclear-weapons policy in order to defend against NATO, the possibility of adopting that policy has been taken seriously in Russia, and I shall argue here why I believe that it should not be, and present what I think would be a much better alternative to it.

Professor Karaganov’s article headlined at Russia’s RT News, “By using its nuclear weapons, Russia could save humanity from a global catastrophe”, and then on 27 June 2023, at RT, he clarified his position by headlining there, “Here’s why Russia has to consider launching a nuclear strike on Western Europe” and saying “Virtually all experts agree that under no circumstances would the Americans respond to a nuclear attack on their allies with a nuclear attack on our territory. Incidentally, even Biden has said so openly.” He failed to link to his source on that allegation “Biden has said so openly,” nor did he otherwise provide evidence that the allegation is true; but at least Karaganov displayed there his unfounded assumption that “under no circumstances would the Americans respond to a nuclear attack on their allies with a nuclear attack on our territory.” His assumption is unfounded not only because even if Biden has said that it is so, Biden routinely lies and so his allegations cannot be trusted, but also is unfounded for the following reason:

The core of the NATO treaty and the reason why European nations join it, is its famous Article 5, which is widely promoted as-if it guarantees that in the event of any NATO-member-nation being invaded by Russia, America will join that war on the side of the invaded NATO-member-nation. That joining of the war wouldn’t necessarily entail a nuclear response, but if a non-nuclear response is done and seems not to have produced victory, then either the U.S. would have lost WW III in a traditional — i.e., non-nuclear — war, or else the U.S. would then escalate the conflict to being a nuclear one (in an attempt to ‘win’ that WW III — as-if there would be any “winner” in a nuclear war between America and Russia), which would destroy the entire planet. America’s losing a non-nuclear conflict with Russia would effectively terminate the NATO alliance and end America’s dominance over the world or even end America’s influence in the world; and, so, anyone (such as Dr. Karaganov) who is assuming that America wouldn’t escalate that conflict to a nuclear one if America is losing the traditional one, is ignoring that the U.S. Government ever since 25 July 1945 has been effectively controlled by neocons — people who are obsessed for the U.S. Government ultimately to control the entire world. I would easily take that bet against Karagonov’s assumption, except that since its outcome would be destruction of the entire world, nobody could win such a bet, just as no side could win a war between America and Russia. And that, I believe, is the reason why Karaganov’s recommendation should not be taken seriously.

For this reason, I headlined at RT on 14 July 2023, “Amid talk of a preemptive nuclear strike on NATO from Russia, why doesn’t Moscow try this instead? The country should engage NATO members with proposals for bilateral agreements, which will also help them to regain sovereignty”. Referring to Karaganov’s proposal, I said: “I believe that if Russia so much as even considers this [Karaganov’s] course it would be a catastrophic mistake without first having offered to each and every European country (other than, of course, Russia itself) a certain type of bilateral mutual non-aggression treaty which would also require that they withdraw from America’s anti-Russia military alliance, NATO. Even if only one member of the bloc broke away, that could spark the end of the organization.”

If what Governments seek by joining NATO is a reduced likelihood of becoming invaded by Russia or targeted in a war between the U.S. and Russia, then this would be the way to achieve that objective. Joining NATO (as they have done or might intend to do) is volunteering to have one’s major cities become targeted by Russia’s nuclear missiles. It increases, instead of decreases, that nation’s insecurity. It increases the likelihood of that nation’s becoming destroyed in a Third World War. By contrast: signing the deal that my article proposed with Russia, would not only decrease insecurity: it would ALSO provide massive economic benefits to the given European country. It would be win-win, instead of NATO’s win-lose or (if WW III) lose-lose.

Perhaps the biggest single failure by Vladimir Putin (who has otherwise been a superb leader of the Russian nation) is that he has never offered such a win-win deal to any European nation’s Government, and he has never publicized to any European nation’s public that he is offering it to that nation’s leadership. My article set forth my recommendation regarding how that offer ought to be made, first privately, and then publicly if the given nation’s leadership has turned the offer down privately.

Russia is now the pivotal nation in world affairs, and making this offer to each of NATO’s current and prospective possible future European member-nations is essential in order to end the Cold War — NATO’s expansion — for real. It would do that, in an entirely peaceful way.

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Investigative historian Eric Zuesse’s new book, AMERICA’S EMPIRE OF EVIL: Hitler’s Posthumous Victory, and Why the Social Sciences Need to Change, is about how America took over the world after World War II in order to enslave it to U.S.-and-allied billionaires. Their cartels extract the world’s wealth by control of not only their ‘news’ media but the social ‘sciences’ — duping the public.

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The Holy Roman Führer.
December 30, 2023

At the Valdai International Discussion Club meeting, held on October 5, 2023.  Sergei Karaganov: Mr President, there is one simple question that is currently being actively discussed outside Russia and at the Valdai Club. I will formulate it in the following way, and this is my wording, of course, I do not speak for everyone. Hasn’t our doctrine on using nuclear weapons become obsolete? I believe that it has certainly grown obsolete, and that it even looks frivolous. It was created in different times and, maybe, in a different situation, and it also follows old theories. Deterrence does not work… Read more »

The Holy Roman Führer.
Reply to  The Holy Roman Führer.
December 30, 2023

Vladimir Putin: I know your position, I have read certain documents, your articles and notes, and I understand your feelings. Let me remind you that there are two reasons stipulated in the Russian Military Doctrine for the possible use of nuclear weapons by Russia. The first is the use of nuclear weapons against us, which would entail a so-called retaliatory strike. But what does this mean in practice? The missiles are launched, our early warning system detects them and reports that they are targeting the territory of the Russian Federation –this happens within seconds, just so that everyone understands –… Read more »

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The Holy Roman Führer.
Reply to  The Holy Roman Führer.
December 30, 2023

There is no Russian Debate about whether to destroy the world, Eric Zuesse, as Vladimir Putin clearly pointed out to Sergei Karaganov.

LillyGreenwood
LillyGreenwood
Reply to  The Holy Roman Führer.
December 30, 2023

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The Holy Roman Führer.
Reply to  LillyGreenwood
December 30, 2023

Do us all a favour LillyGreenwood, and just end it. 

Seriously, just kill yourself! 

George Wrigley
George Wrigley
Reply to  The Holy Roman Führer.
December 31, 2023

The would and will any time they believe it reasonablely safe. The US is the most evil country to ever exist. When Hitler was defeated in Europe the US took Germany’s place and rules the world today. They can’t stand that China and Russia have refused to be conquered by them. Japan tried to be independent in the 80’s and the US did what it always does to any country that gets to big for US liking, they destroyed Japan’s economy. Times are changing. With dozens of countries joining Brics they will soon have a new global economy and the… Read more »

zleo99
zleo99
Reply to  George Wrigley
December 31, 2023

The most evil country after Israel. It is Israel’s influence on the US that makes the US evil.

penrose
penrose
Reply to  zleo99
December 31, 2023

Actually, it is the Khazars and Khazar Dupes inside the US that run the show. Without them Israel would look like a yapping chihuahua.

Joe
Joe
December 30, 2023

Debate in Russia? Where is this debate? One man mouthing off is not a debate.

The Holy Roman Führer.
Reply to  Joe
December 30, 2023

Exactly

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E Bligan
E Bligan
December 30, 2023

Sorry to say, but your line of thinking is pretty shallow/childish. If the Russian government would come forth with such an suggestion, the West would absolutely perceive it as a threat like “do it or face the consequences…” Considering what has been said in the West about Russia, Slavic people and Putin, it is almost impossible to forgive and forget such inhuman psychotic outrage. The initiative is in the West, to beg for forgiveness. One way would absolutely be to ask for a possibility to be given such a treaty in exchange for a non NATO membership. But… if such… Read more »

TheWatcher
TheWatcher
December 30, 2023
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Totally agree. This would be a strategic tour de force.
Why is Russia not doing these bilateral negotiations with European nations?
Perhaps the Russians view the status quo as desirable for some strange reason?

zleo99
zleo99
Reply to  TheWatcher
December 31, 2023

Russia has been trying since 2000 to have this discussion with Europe, even up to December 2021, but the Europeans are too consumed by Russophobia, under the influence of the US and UK, to be able to even contemplate discussions, let alone conduct them. That’s clear from the current status of the discussion wrt Ukraine’s “victory”/defeat. No European politician dares to be seen asa Russia stooge.

zleo99
zleo99
December 31, 2023

I can see the US nuking Western Europe as a warning to Russia; I can see Russia nuking the UK, to kill one head of the Hydra and as a warning to the US.
I can see Russia invading UK/taking it over so as to destroy the City of London, aka Rothschild/Central Bank Central, and control the western edge of Western Europe.
My advice to the myopically, delusional, insane, Russophobic Brits is make friends with Russia. Help Russia develop its BRICS+ currency. Lead Western Europe into a win-win mutually beneficial friendly relationship with Russa.

Marq
Marq
Reply to  zleo99
January 1, 2024

Unfortunately your advice isn’t acceptable by anyone in the eurozone in the foreseeable future…
Regime-change guaranteed!
With a big help from my EX-friends…

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