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Lukashenko saves the day. Prigozhin calls off mutiny. U/3

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onward
onward
June 25, 2023

I think you emphasize some things too much, my opinion, on other hand I think you have done a great job putting this personal implosion in the right perspective and summing up really well.
As you and Alexander said Putin needed to meet Prigozhin and talk it through with him, not relieve him of his command through official channels. Prigozhin has given much to Russia and it required the personal touch.

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Anna Cornelia
Anna Cornelia
June 25, 2023

Definitely a psyop to prove to the collective West that Putin is more popular than ever and squash forever the Washington hopes of regime change. I also still think that it was to accomplish a round up of CIA assets. Khordokovsky apparently put out a call to certain people to support Prygozhin. I’m willing to bet that those people who received emails or calls from Khordokovsky found the FSB waiting outside their front doors afterwards. I wonder if the Ukrainians have massed again at the front line because they expected some weakness with the absence of Wagner. NATO must know… Read more »

Bonami1776
Bonami1776
Reply to  Anna Cornelia
June 25, 2023

It does have all the earmarks of a Russian psyop, Prigozhin was sprouting Ukraine nonsense, and Russia did round up quite a few people.

Remember the recent US’s sudden, HEY! We just found 6 billion!! What a surprise!! let’s give it to Z right away!!

I wonder if this event was what the cash was for. In any case Prigozhin has been a wild card for a while, he may have been used by both sides, we may never know the truth of it all.

charles smith
charles smith
Reply to  Anna Cornelia
June 25, 2023

The Duran is associated to RT news through Peter Lavelle and is a pro Russian voice. I am not saying that The Duran engages in misinformation but they are pro Russian. I have read that Mercouris was/ is? paid by Moscow. I agree with you about this incident probably being a psy-op, showing the anti Russian influences that the Putin Government is so strong that it can even withstand an assault by the powerful and popular Wagner Group / Prigozhin. And, that the Government is so skilled that it accomplished this neutralization, bloodlessly. The Duran’s/Christoforou’s emphasizing how powerfully damaging the… Read more »

zleo99
zleo99
Reply to  charles smith
June 25, 2023

Having listened to the Duran duo, and their many US guests – Ritter, etc – the Duran is very careful to give truth and common ense, not bias one way or the other.

charles smith
charles smith
Reply to  zleo99
June 26, 2023

Have you ever seen a guest on The Duran who holds pro Ukraine views?

The Holy Roman Führer.
Reply to  charles smith
June 25, 2023

I have read that Mercouris was/ is? paid by Moscow.”

Really! Why stop there with your slander! 

Two can play that game. I have read you are in the pay of the Anti-Defamation League of B’nai B’rith, which is far more likely.

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Corinne Blauvelt
Corinne Blauvelt
Reply to  The Holy Roman Führer.
June 25, 2023

From my mind, heart, and gut~Alex and Alexander are the two most intelligent, savvy, honest, and compassionate journalists that I have ever heard. I trust them in their news reporting, and in their analysis of the news.
For commenter Charles Smith to follow the collective West’s oft-used accusation

charles smith
charles smith
Reply to  Corinne Blauvelt
June 26, 2023

I am an avid fan of the 2 Alexanders and view their videos almost daily for the reasons you state.. My including what I did was to lend credence to my psyop theory. The 2 Alexanders, being on Russia’s side, will encourage what it takes to make the psyop of the mutiny successful. I did not state what I did with no evidence. I cannot put if proper citations as they will be delayed or rejected. However, this is the gist of one of several such references: Another author on Kremlin’s swill be A. Mercouris, Now A. Mercouris is a… Read more »

charles smith
charles smith
Reply to  The Holy Roman Führer.
June 26, 2023

What I wrote is factual. You wrote is an absurd
outburst of sophomoric inanity. I cannot put if proper citations, as you know, as they will be delayed or rejected. However, this is the jist of one of several such references: Another author on Kremlin’s will be A. Mercouris, Now A. Mercouris is a columnist of RT, Voice of Russia and russia-insider.com. Here is another Sputnic International
Russian Media Columnist Alexander Mercouris
Show us where what bs you wrote, as usual, has any legitimacy

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john plum
Reply to  charles smith
June 25, 2023

Really, I could be kind and say, that theorising about psy-op is nonsense. But rather, to be perfectly blunt, its stupid nonsense. Have you had a son and taught him, as a father, to be straight forward – or did you teach him to conduct his life as a psy -op, in order to succeed in life? Does he lie to you, and you are pleased with that? DO you lie to him? Russia means business to protect itself. Military business. A war. It doesn’t need to prove in the minds of the West that its popular in order to… Read more »

charles smith
charles smith
Reply to  john plum
June 26, 2023

I am not sure what you are saying. Do you not believe Russia could use psyops in warfare management?

john plum
Reply to  charles smith
June 25, 2023

When you broadcast ‘I have read… paid by Moscow’ you are meant to give the reference? OK? Ore is that one of your psy-ops… and I should run with it? Now, let’s see, I have read that Charles Smith is paisd for by MI6 and Mossad, via a Ukrainian from organisation, whose offices are based in the Seychelles. He is given the money to feed a viscous cocaine habit, and gets to work as a troll on important sites, with his important-=sounding name. I read that he was released from USA prison for this special ‘psy-op’, where his sentence for… Read more »

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charles smith
charles smith
Reply to  john plum
June 26, 2023

What I wrote is factual. You wrote is an absurd
outburst of sophomoric inanity. I cannot put if proper citations as they will be delayed or rejected. However, this is the gist of one of several such references: Another author on Kremlin’s swill be A. Mercouris, Now A. Mercouris is a columnist of RT, Voice of Russia and russia-insider.com. Here is another sputnic international
Russian Media Columnist Alexander Mercouris

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zleo99
zleo99
Reply to  Anna Cornelia
June 25, 2023

Let’s hope you are right, although we may never know for sure. Maybe the uprising was genuine, and Moscow merely used the situation to their advantage.

Johnny
Johnny
June 25, 2023

12 hour drive from Rostov to Moscow per Google Maps, and that’s for cars, not the much slow military convoys. Then add in checkpoints and other stops. The whole thing was silly, at least in hindsight.

Ian
Ian
June 25, 2023

Wagner should have been marching in Red Square with the Russian Army presenting arms as they passed by. The Defence Minister should have saluted. Medals presented. Etc. Any PMC which can defeat the best NATO army with a Magino- line type fortification and messed up ammo supplies deserves at least a little respect. Get a brain, guys.

Bonami1776
Bonami1776
Reply to  Ian
June 25, 2023

Yes, his team were epic, no question.

But he took on Russia’s well established military, may have been justified, he went waaaay too far, too often.

john plum
Reply to  Bonami1776
June 25, 2023

‘May have been justified’, but he wasn’t as it turns out, because justification is found at the end of the line, presumably through proper channels to begin with, not a Hollywood public appeal and show.

And, never justified in presuming to know more than the Russian military as a whole about war action across the whole front. and in maligning the effort of Russian troops.Seems like he got his wishful information from Ukraine or Mi6.
The only justification so far that he has had that I can see evident, is lack of patriotism, and the Hollywood audience’s love of self-glorification.

john plum
Reply to  Ian
June 25, 2023

See, its not a case of REussian military or Wagner boys. They are all sons of Russia. Prigozhin was not a Wagner commander, risked not his life or limb, He is a self-propagandist, with media teams available at his behest, unlike any normal commander, as well a a telephone line open unvetted to any caller largely, including MI6. In other words, his office is his own, not as an officer of any military force. His own actions consistently show a mounting campaign to undermine Russian military morale, and moreover, in the minds of the Russian public. The efforts of the… Read more »

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Bonami1776
Bonami1776
June 25, 2023

I am sure this was driven by the fact that his troops were now going to be paid by the military directly.

That would mean the end of his army, and the end of his very lucrative govt contracts. I could see him rightly seeing that as a betrayal, and that putting him over the edge.

He made the early on mistake of biting the hands that fed him. It happens.

john plum
Reply to  Bonami1776
June 25, 2023

Its not ‘his army’. He did not found it, nor is he ‘the owner’.

Bonami1776
Bonami1776
Reply to  john plum
June 25, 2023

He was running it under a contract with the govt, the soldiers he recruited were not listed on Russian military roles, and he paid them directly from the govt contract. To that extent, they were his army. As he held the contract with the govt, he was the owner of Wagner. Yes it was set up by the military, but it was always a paramilitary force separate from the govt as they wanted a group NOT connected directly to the govt to be able to operate in the breakaway regions. Once the regions became part of Russia that created a… Read more »

Jarno P
Jarno P
June 25, 2023

Is Prigozhin now going back selling hot dogs alongside his jewish descent mother and stepfather at the Apraksin Dvor open-air market in Leningrad and start all over again ?

john plum
Reply to  Jarno P
June 25, 2023

Russians prefer their own good cooking I’m sure. Uzki and Borsche , perhaps?

john plum
June 25, 2023

2020 Belarus, when Putin stepped in to avert a coup against Lukeshenko is quite different. I doubt Lukoshenko stepped in, but was requested by Putin to put himself forwards, as Putin’s strategy of avoiding a conflict against the Wagner soldiers, which is most wise.

Security guarantees will never hold for Prigozhgin, because he is a traitorous ringleader who talked men into doing something criminal based upon supposed grievances he fed them, that they could not easily understand for what they were. P. will have to escape to UK, Canada, Israel, or some such place.

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john plum
June 25, 2023

IN itself the Wagner personnel in convoy as a military force could hope to achieve nothing, and that is the proof that of what it’s purpose was to be. Ask yourself, what remains of that which they are supposed to be bringing to the negotiation table in this bizarre fashion? What are they continuing to negotiate about? Nothing is the answer. Zero, as if it was never the purpose of the move on Rostock. The convoy of Wagner personnel was not a dire threatening military force, but the SYMBOL for Russian people to rally around against the Russian government, Military… Read more »

john plum
June 25, 2023

Good try apologising for a piece of low-life scheming blob of self-agrandisement in trousers. MY view of this whole affair is more pointed. By His leading of a force of Wagner personnel on Russia, Prigozhin was risking civil war by invitation, with Russian regular forces being obliged to put the insurrection down, unless they stood down. That was always in Progozhin’s mind, highly likely, and must therefore have been what he wanted; it is not a risk otherwise worth taking. They didn’t get that or the military conflict – it was refused. After his initial publicity stunts in Rostock, Prigozhin was… Read more »

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