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BREAKING!! DEMO IN BERLIN VERBOTEN

German YouTuber Samuel Eckert reports on prohibited Demonstrations in Berlin at 29th, because they are against the government.

Veranstaltungen in Berlin wurden offiziell verboten. Wir sprechen über die Einzelheiten und was jetzt passiert.

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Clarity
Clarity
August 27, 2020

This protest is officially against corona measures, not against the government in principle. The protest was cancelled because of the irresponsible conduct by too participants during the last protest. Germany has no interest in US style protests that get out of hand and end in destruction and chaos. No need to breach that threshold. Over 80% of the German population agree with how the gov handles the corona situation. The few people who are upset about the cancellation are wondering why a rebellion needs permission, a few talk about protesting until the government resigns, although there are elections next year.… Read more »

M. van der Kemp
M. van der Kemp
Reply to  Clarity
August 27, 2020

Could you quantify what you mean with “the few people”? More than a million people is a few?

And last time I read about the protests in the US those protests were “peaceful”. So how could Berlin possibly not want to have peaceful protests? Oh wait, I know… because the people who are protesting in the US, and those who were projected to goto Berlin, belong to very different demographics.

Clarity
Clarity
Reply to  M. van der Kemp
August 27, 2020

even a million is no majority and in a democracy a majority is needed. Go vote next time and if enough feel the same way as you do then perhaps you can reach a majority. Right now these ‘peaceful demonstrations’ are tyranny by the minority.

Not that I am agreeing with the corona stance, but in Germany it is better than in most countries.

M. van der Kemp
M. van der Kemp
Reply to  Clarity
August 27, 2020

Voting and demonstrating are two tools in a democracy you can not conflate with each other. A demonstration has never before been called insufficient because the numbers do not reflect a majority of the population. I happened to be aligned with Dutch organisers who were planning to goto Berlin this saturday. And this is the type of people who are demonstrating. https://youtu.be/sZHkXBxcFNI Mostly middle-aged people, business owners, whose lifelyhood is slowly going to shambles. No riots, just expression of dissatisfaction with the corona measures. The quotes around ‘peaceful demonstrations’ in that case have no grounds at all. These demonstrations are… Read more »

Clarity
Clarity
Reply to  M. van der Kemp
August 27, 2020

Unfortunately Germany has seen riots in conjunction with anti corona sentiment. Not many yet, but enough. The basis for the cancellation is not so much the radical element that will piggyback such a protest, although that is certainly a concern, but the fact that the last protest on Aug 1, which also had a large and yes mostly peaceful attendance, saw too many breaches of corona related hygiene and distancing laws. So the demonstrators basically did this to themselves. Why do Dutch people come to protest in Berlin instead of calling for their own protest in Amsterdam? I do sympathize… Read more »

M van der Kemp
M van der Kemp
Reply to  Clarity
August 27, 2020

In all countries of the world people have started to organise diverse initiatives against the measures. Alot of these national organisations have also started to share knowledge internationally and cooperation started to happen. We’re talking science people, medical personnel, lawyers, etc, who starting to fight what we conceive as unlawful measures. Partially we saw this protest as a chance to meet up, and that’s what attracted us to this protest in Berlin. Also protests in other countries are restricted due to Corona, for example the Dutch organisation 2 weeks ago was restricted to the Malieveld, a field, protesters were not… Read more »

Clarity
Clarity
Reply to  M van der Kemp
August 28, 2020

Of course I know that the majority of these protesters are not going to burn down the place but especially with large masses the number of bad seeds also increase and that can escalate very quickly and people who never intended to riot can find themselves pulled into mayhem faster before they realize. In Germany the cancellation is not deemed unlawful, at this time. There are competing laws and the law that preserves everyone’s right to life and physical integrity tops the law to demonstrate. So politicians are calling it the right to life. Debatable. That is why it is… Read more »

M. van der Kemp
M. van der Kemp
Reply to  Clarity
August 28, 2020

Noone will be responsible for the death of a human being, the virus is responsible. Never before have we locked up a healthy population to prevent the deaths of what even the strongest proponents have now called an IFR rate of between 0.35% – 1%. That falls within the margins of a strong flu-season indeed. Those who mentioned the word flu in the past have been crucified though. Measures like keeping 1.5 meter distance from other people or wearing non-surgical facemasks, social distancing outdoors have very little scientific basis. Not to mention that there’s strong evidence that the economic fallout… Read more »

Clarity
Clarity
Reply to  M. van der Kemp
August 28, 2020

If someone allows a rabid dog to bite you, that person is responsible. If someone has sex with you knowing that they have full blown aids and they do not tell you and do not use protection, it is not the virus that is responsible either. That is such flawed thinking. I agree that infection rates are low right now in most places although they are on the rise in some. Excessive death rates are also on the rise again above the average in some places. That is what politicians are afraid of, that the excessive death rate spirals out… Read more »

M. van der Kemp
M. van der Kemp
Reply to  Clarity
August 28, 2020

I have honestly no idea how your examples compare to covid. You’re carrying diseases with you at any given time, that are potentially fatal to people you meet. With your logic you will self-isolate yourself for the rest of your life. Facemasks. WHO says (translating back from Dutch): WHO advises against carrying facemasks. Exception during a pandemic one could think about mandatory facemasks for sick people. Facemasks for healthy people we advise against, because the scientific basis is lacking. OMT (advises the Dutch government during corona) says: OMT advises against mandatory facemasks because effectivity is not proven. This is even… Read more »

Clarity
Clarity
Reply to  M. van der Kemp
August 27, 2020

just got an updated number almost 90% are satisfies with corona measures in Germany

Stephan Nossol
Stephan Nossol
Reply to  Clarity
August 29, 2020

But they are satisfied, cause they have NO clue what actually happens. They think masks would “help ” , what is wrong.And they think masks would have no harmful sideeffects, what is wrong, too. German Gouvernement lies, about number of cases, lethality etc. They dont want the population start thinking how a globale finance collapse, or a imploding dollar + China on the edge of Hunger crisis (you dont know, i know….) ,may affect german (Export!!!) Economy…i am such a lucky guy.i will experience weimar 2.0, live… PLZ Duran, if anybody , from foreign media will write about this maybe… Read more »

M. van der Kemp
M. van der Kemp
August 27, 2020

More than a million protesters were expected to goto this particular protest. Hundreds of busses were going to Berlin from all over Europe, and this was in the planning for several weeks. It’s another small tragedy in a long line of dictatorial corona measures if the protest is going to be cancelled.

But it’s clear we are dealing with a particular political class that doesn’t like discerning voices… at all.

Clarity
Clarity
Reply to  M. van der Kemp
August 27, 2020

Explain to me how internal affairs on one nation affect people in other countries so much that people need to be bused in by the millions. Even if it is ‘just’ by hundreds of buses, which would mean thousands of foreigners. And you expect that it will be peaceful? Who are they? Although I would say that that a million is reaching a bit. Germany is not America. There are rules to protesting. I just hope that EU media will afford Russia the same courtesy in the future since they also have rules for demonstrations. Yeah, right. [for Germany and… Read more »

M. van der Kemp
M. van der Kemp
Reply to  Clarity
August 27, 2020

Who are they? See my reply in the other thread, and watch the video I linked. That protest is from two weeks ago we organised in The Hague, Netherlands. Those are the people we are talking about.

Robert Tyrrell
Robert Tyrrell
Reply to  Clarity
August 27, 2020

Germany runs Europe. We are all under their dictate. Have been for years

Stephan Nossol
Stephan Nossol
August 29, 2020

Hi, The Protest are NOW allowed. Cause to Protest is one of für Base Rights , what thx god, The court saw exactly same. (And at the BLM solidarity movements, infections with Corona and social distancing never was a “problem”) Our Gouvernement dont like two things, The Protest are completly peaceful.No rioting, no Fire or destruction. And the Protest is to BIG (to big as Police could “stop” the Protest, i personally belife that they would have had eine this last Time, if it Max have been possible för them.) And the Numbers of protesters are massive downplayed by German… Read more »

M. van der Kemp
M. van der Kemp
Reply to  Stephan Nossol
August 29, 2020

Danke schon, unfortunately a lot of people have remade plans. So if the goal was to avert a load of people from going to Berlin, then that has worked. But we will see what will happen.

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