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The MH17 air traffic tower radar image that no western media is willing to report

A new report has surfaced from air traffic controller radar data that clearly shows military aircraft were in the vicinity of the Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 when it crashed on July 17, 2014. The data comes from an air traffic control center in Rostov near the Ukraine border and shows 20 minutes of recording of the airspace before and after the shooting down of MH17. Western MSM…silent.

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Western main stream media quickly picked up and dissected last nights Russian Channel 1 satellite image, suggesting the Malaysian Boeing MH17 was shot down by a Ukrainian warplane…because it is obviously a doctored photo.

As military expert and analyst The Saker quickly reported:

I am quite sure that the photo of the MH-17 being shot down is fake. The military aircraft appears to be a SU-27, the angle is wrong, as is the side of the attack, and this is not a satellite picture.

What was not reported on, and what appears to be very legit and very hard to dispute, is the below radar data from Russia’s Rostov oblast (a region bordering East Ukraine) indicating that military aircraft were in the air near Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 when it crashed in eastern Ukraine on July 17.

The image was released by a Russian air safety consultancy and reported yesterday via RT…

The consultancy provided a snapshot representing the readings taken by a radar station located in Russia’s Rostov, near the Ukrainian border, shortly before and about 20 minutes after the MH17 crash.

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According to Sergey Melnichenko, CEO of Aviation Safety consultancy, there were one or two warplanes in the air close to the Malaysian airliner. The data casts doubt on the version of the tragedy favored by Western nations, which claims the plane was shot down from the ground by rebel forces with a sophisticated surface-to-air missile.

The data “came from an air traffic control center in Rostov,” Melnichenko told Moskovsky Komsomolets newspaper, declining to reveal which one and whether it was civilian or military. He assured that “we have full trust in the sources, which helped us make it available to the public.”

“The data clearly shows that at the moment of the crash and after it there were planes moving north of the Boeing course. Most likely, they were military, because the spots are very close to each other. The conclusion is that there were either one or two aircraft there,” Melnichenko told the daily.

Another indication that the planes in question were military aircraft is the fact that they didn’t respond to being scanned, Melnichenko said. Civilian planes always reply to signals from radar, while military aircraft are “usually unequipped with transmitter-responders or the pilots turn them off during combat flights,” he explained.

With the rebel forces possessing no air force of their own, Russia and Ukraine are the most logical parties to send warplanes to that area, the expert said. But it would have been impossible for a Russian warplane to make it over the border without being detected by Ukrainian and NATO radars.

“There would’ve been reaction on something like that long ago – from NATO and Ukraine. But there was no reaction because there was nothing to react to,” he explained.

Several days after the MH17 crash, the Russian Defense Ministry released evidence that it detected a Ukrainian fighter jet near the Boeing at the time of the catastrophe. Kiev denied deploying any jets on that day, but it had been routinely using aviation to deliver airstrikes at rebel positions.

According to Melnichenko, the new data is consistent with that published by the military.

“Our data is somewhat more precise…they didn’t present the airplane’s flight paths as clearly. But maybe they did it intentionally, I don’t know,” he said.

The expert added that the presence of military planes north of the Boeing would put them in a position to the left of the plane. Some photos from the crash site showed damage to the cockpit’s left side, consistent with a scenario of an attack by those planes.

Now back to The Saker and his take on the radar image…

The Russian newspaper MK has obtained a screenshot of the recording of a civilian Russian radar screen in Rostov – just east of the Russian-Ukrainian border.

What this image shows is 20 minutes of recording of the airspace before and after the shooting down of MH17. The course of MH17 is shown in purple while the numerous little blue “T” shaped objects in the circle show the radar return of one or, possibly two, aircraft which either do not have a transponder or which have not switched it on. Either way, since we know that the Novorussian Resistance did not have aircraft, and since we know that the Ukrainians have denied that they had any aircraft anywhere near this area at that time, and since we know that had this been a Russian aircraft the US/NATO AWACS and satellites would have picked it up and presented this damning proof a long time ago we can come to the only possible conclusion: the Ukies and their US/EU patrons are lying, the aircraft seen on the radar are Ukrainian, no Buk missile was involved in the shooting (though I personally believe that one was used to cue the Ukrainian aircraft to MH17) and that MH17 was shot down by a combo of gun and missile fire from one or two Ukrainian aircraft.

The Saker

PS: by the way, if a civilian radar needs a return signal from a transponder to get the identity, altitude and speed of an aircraft, military radars do not. Since I am quite sure that the Russians also had plenty of military radars in the region, I am equally sure that, just as the US and NATO, the Russian military also has the ironclad proof that the Ukies did it in the form of radar track recordings. Whether they will ever present such proof or not (and I am sure that they would prefer not to) or whether they will only generate such “leaks” from civilian sources as the one today in MK instead is unclear to me. I guess it depends on what the AngloZionist propaganda says.

Slowly but surely the truth, and the ongoing but oft forgotten cover up will surface. Until then commenters who did happen to run across the radar image news are having a very hard time dealing with the reality of the situation.

Taking the red pill is a painful and lonely process, as you awaken to the deception overload that was shovelled into your mind.  It’s a lot easier to live under the comfortable numbness of the blue pill.

These commenters below, from the Examiner.com (which did run the story) are in the denial / anger phase, of awakening from a lifelong slumber of lies…

The short and sweet, “Russian RT propaganda” denial…
So, the report comes from RT, one of Putin’s greatest propaganda arms, and from a snapshot taken at a Russian flight control center, and has taken months to be released. Am I the only one who thinks this is bogus?

The “I saw it on youtube so it must be fact” denial…
This report is from RT. It bears no credibility in its contents because it is coming straight from Russia. The fact remains that the plane was shot down by rebels who are continually being supported by Russia. The truck that shot the passenger plane was even shown on youtube with Russian plates. You cannot change the facts. That is it and even now Russians in their attempt to show off their military power have been flying wrecklessly all over Europe. It would not surprise me if they shoot down another passenger airline jet or crash against another plane by accident. I wonder what their excuse would be then? The world is not stupid. Are they going to say it was not their military planes?

The “I didn’t get the memo that the audio recordings have been proven a hoax” denial…
Ok, why is no one quoting the separtists audio recordings saying they just shot down a airliner. Did everyone forget this? Also I wouldn’t believe one thing that RT reports. I’ve watched this channel while in Ukraine and couldnt believe how they twisted every story to make the West look bad.

The “I did not get the memo that the Soviet Union does not exists” denial…
So there are no Soviet troops continuously crossing the border into Ukraine. . .Putin was not accompanied by warships to a trade conference in Australia. . Soviet military & spy aircraft aren’t encroaching on Western air space. . .homosexuality is allowed in the Soviet union. . . .Pu$$y Riot are free to protest the Soviet government. . .oligarchs that own oil companies & dare protest Putin’s policies are not robbed of their corporations. . .uh, huh. . .right. . .meet the Soviet Union. . .same as the old Soviet union. . .threatening a return to the Cold War policies & using threats of nuclear war to buttress their policies & rationalize their display of might. . .

The “I did not get the memo the Soviet Union does not exist, and NATO expansion map” denial…
The difference is NATO hasn’t disrupted the borders, air space & travel of those in & of an autonomous nation. . . meanwhile the Soviet Union continues to engage in bullying tactics; the main reason the conflict in Ukraine exists is the Soviet union has been attempting to extort control of Ukraine by forcing them to join other Eastern Bloc nations in a Soviet run anti NATO group. . .exerting the increasingly growing debt Ukraine owes the Soviet union & hiking oil prices many fold over market value. . .to separate Ukraine from the rest of the world. . .without the freedom to render their own choice. . .

Do you really think we are that daft? Please.

The nice try with “some logical reasoning” denial…
…let’s reason this out! The separatists in Eastern Ukraine never flew a plane in the whole period of this crises. Why would a Ukrainean military aircraft target Malaysian airline flight MH17? Was it suspected to be a fighter plane operatd by the Separatists? Did the Separatists ever operated one that could have called for such suspicion?

We wish all the commenters well on their journey to truth, hopefully they too will reach a stage when such tragedies and crimes like MH17 will illicit a more red pill response, like these two commenters below:

A commenter asking the right questions…
Only 3 questions. Why US satellite data is not still released. Why 27 Ukrainian antiaircraft BUK (SA-11) launchers were deployed in the battle zone when MH17 was shot down? After all, rebels don’t have aviation. And is it by chance that Putin’s plane appeared there after 17 minutes after the tragedy?

A commenter who understands what’s a stake for the US if the truth gets out…
This was reported by the Malaysia New Straits Times a long time ago, but all in the west poo-pooed it. I read a comment here that the commenter believed the US finding . The US hasn’t published its finding, probably because it is the same as the Russian radar information. For the west to find or admit that Ukraine fighter planes shot down MH17 is unthinkable, as it nullifies all the US efforts and expenditure to draw Ukraine to the west and to exploit Ukraine mineral resources .

References:

http://rt.com/news/205339-mh17-air-plane-malaysian/

http://www.mk.ru/incident/2014/11/12/dannye-aviadispetcherov-podtverdili-ryadom-s-boingom-rukhnuvshim-na-ukraine-letel-voennyy-samolet.html

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/11/mh17-more-proof-that-ukies-did-it.html

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RT @redpilltimes: The #MH17 air traffic tower radar image that no western MSM media is willing to report http://t.co/sa7YisAEF7

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@redpilltimes @MartinaHolst
It’s being purported as Fake
i’m not any kind of image expert so can’t agree or disagree
awaiting validation

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RT @redpilltimes: The #MH17 air traffic tower radar image that no western MSM media is willing to report http://t.co/sa7YisAEF7

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RT @redpilltimes: The #MH17 air traffic tower radar image that no western MSM media is willing to report http://t.co/sa7YisAEF7

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RT @redpilltimes: The #MH17 air traffic tower radar image that no western MSM media is willing to report http://t.co/sa7YisAEF7

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RT @redpilltimes: The #MH17 air traffic tower radar image that no western MSM media is willing to report http://t.co/sa7YisAEF7

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@redpilltimes how about that? Radar returns of falling debris right over where the debris field ended up being.

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@rougek68 @redpilltimes @MartinaHolst OK Rouge, someone has to take the stubborn position while the rest of us act triumphant. A hard job

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@herbruhs Image fakery is rampant on the net. And this is high profile
I get fooled all the time w/ images 😉
@redpilltimes @MartinaHolst

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RT @redpilltimes: The #MH17 air traffic tower radar image that no western MSM media is willing to report http://t.co/sa7YisAEF7

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A dispassionate case for the American border wall

All the arguing on both sides is a rhetorical war that prevents action from happening. Here are simple reasons the border wall should go up.

Seraphim Hanisch

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One of the hottest news stories in the American press has been that over the border wall, proposed by President Trump during his campaign, and now resting at the center of a debate that has about one-quarter of the US governmental services in a state of shutdown. We have observed fiery, passionate, and even disgusting levels of rancor and bitterness in the political rhetoric concerning the wall. This debate goes on in the news media, and many of the Americans who watch and listen to this take on the fire of these arguments to even more passionate levels.

However, the passion has largely obscured the actual issue of border security, perhaps by design. As long as people keep fighting over it, it still is not getting done. And while thankfully the American government is designed to work very slowly in determining important matters, here, that trait is being exploited, mostly by Democrats, but also by Republicans and even possibly, President Trump himself.

The motives each side has vary.

President Trump wants Congress to pass wall funding because then it is a legislative act that the Legislative and Executive branches of government agree on. It is unlikely that the Supreme Court will be called upon to test such a resolution for its legality. This is one very significant reason why the President is trying every way possible to get this through Congress.

If he goes the route of declaring a “National Emergency” then, according to a number of sources, the first thing that is likely to happen after the build order is a lawsuit that stops the process in its tracks – probably a land-use lawsuit regarding eminent domain and damage to the properties of private citizens, who for various reasons do not want a barrier built through their lands. This is a problem that the American government has sadly created for itself with a very poor reputation of proper reparations for the invocation of Eminent Domain land claims.

This is the simplest way to explain the raison d’être behind the President’s hesitation to invoke executive emergency powers.

For the Democrats, the motive is interesting. The rhetoric from conservatives, including the President, is that the Dems do not want the wall simply because the “imposter” President wants one. 

For anyone who thinks that this is an utterly insane, and indeed, childish, argument, well, you would be exactly right. It is.

It also appears to be true. Evidence for this is shown by the fact that almost every critic quoted by the mainstream press is a Democrat. How is it possible that Democrats have a unique hold on facts that other people just don’t? Even when a Republican expresses a concern about the wall, there is still actual logistical information backing the claim:

Republican and Democratic lawmakers raised immediate concerns over shifting funds that have already been approved by Congress for projects in states across the nation.

Rep. Mike Simpson of Idaho, a top Republican on the Appropriations Committee, said he has been hearing from lawmakers in recent days concerned that Army Corps projects in their states could be canceled or postponed.

(This is a concrete situation that is based on normal concerns about money and not about ideological political views.)

“If they drag the money out of here,” Simpson said in an interview late Thursday, “a lot of members will have problem with it.”

(But now in come the Democrats, and observe as logic leaves and is replaced by fiery language.)

Rep. Peter DeFazio, D-Ore., the incoming chairman of the Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, said in an interview that rebuilding the disaster areas is “a way higher priority benefiting the American people than a wasteful wall.”

He said the Army Corps works on dams, levees and other projects across the nation and has an enormous backlog of unfunded needs. “It would be an incredible disservice to the American people and the economy” to divert the money to the border wall, he said.

And Rep. Nydia Velazquez, D-N.Y., said in a statement that it would be “beyond appalling for the president to take money from places like Puerto Rico that have suffered enormous catastrophes, costing thousands of American citizens’ lives, in order to pay for Donald Trump’s foolish, offensive and hateful wall.

“Siphoning funding from real disasters to pay for a crisis manufactured by the president is wholly unacceptable and the American people won’t fall for it,” she said.

The Republican here spoke without passion, simply saying there is concern about shifting funds for the wall. But the Democrats used incendiary language like “wasteful” and “foolish, offensive and hateful” as adjectives to describe the border wall. Very passionate expressions, which are being repeated ad nauseam by the mainstream press and all of the Democrat party.

The bias most notably and publicly showed in the accusatory language of the Democrat kingpins themselves, Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi.

There is little true “debate” about the border wall. Most discussion on the news media or social media is verbal rock-throwing rather than respectful, honest and fair discussion. As noted before, this may be part of the design to prevent action on the wall.

However there are dispassionate and reasonable arguments that support the construction of this project. Here are some of those reasons:

  •  A 30-35 foot tall wall running the entire length of the border is probably the cheapest and most cost effective single deterrent to illegal border crossings. Whoever wants to cross the border has to make some provision for dealing with the wall. If that provision is rather difficult, it will dissuade most people from trying it.
  • A wall reduces the need for manpower along the border. While it is absurd to assume that the wall alone would keep every illegal immigrant out, it also facilitates efficient deployment of manpower and other means for active border control.
  • Even if the wall is not continuous along the entire length of the border (which is likely to wind up as the case), where it isn’t is easier to monitor. This is another aspect of the manpower issue. There are likely to be gaps and open spaces for a variety of reasons. But right now, there are about over 1,200 miles of the 1,954 mile long border that have no barrier present. That is a lot of space to monitor actively.

These three reasons are really so close as to be almost the same exact reason. But the arguments for and against the border wall are being conducted in an apparent context that in order to secure a border, this is all anyone needs to do. This is an absurd idea and is being used to try to deflect action.

  • The best border security systems in the world are systems of walls, fences and monitoring facilities. Even the Great Wall of China did not stop all invaders. It deterred a lot of probable attempts though. The wall was also manned so that active attempts to get through it could be stopped in active manners.
  • The North – South Korean DMZ and the Berlin Wall are also particularly effective as parts of an overall border crossing deterrent system. The fences, trenches and watchtowers along the length of these two borders create an extremely effective measure to deter illegal crossings. For example, the Berlin Wall stood from 1961 to 1989, a total of 28 years. During that period, only five thousand people crossed that border. The US Border Patrol conducted over 300,000 apprehensions of illegal immigrants crossing the border in 2018 alone.

The imagery of walls like North Korea’s and East Berlin’s are part of the reason why the border wall comes across as an unsavory idea. There is probably no American that does not know this image, and no one in the country like the idea of such a barrier being associated with the United States.

However, that is simply not the issue. The US is not a police state trying to keep people inside. It is dealing with a decades-long stretch of bad policy regarding immigration which will not be stopped except by radical means.

Many families made a very long journey this year in the migrant caravans to try to game the American system. It is understandable that many of these people are trying to get away from bad conditions in the countries they left. But taking advantage of the United States is wrong, and the wrong is shared equally by the actions of the illegals and by the weak posture of the United States herself.

The simplest fact is that only strength assures freedom. A strong border reinforces safe immigration. A strong and effective immigration policy relies on having a tightly controlled border AND an asylum and entry facilitation process that is thorough, lawful and dispassionate. The USA has had this in place in other points of entry, such as Ellis Island. Leaving the Mexican frontier open now is just stupid policy. An integrated, careful process to process would be immigrants as quickly and carefully as possible needs to become part of the new American way of doing things. There is no swifter way to guarantee overall immigration policy change than the construction of the physical barrier along the US-Mexican border.

It does not matter how anyone feels or thinks. Walls work when used rightly. President Trump’s plan satisfies all the required needs for a good US immigration policy as regards the Mexican border.

 

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US Women’s March implodes upon itself [Video]

This year’s Women’s March collapses due to not being politically woke enough, in a truly astounding fashion.

Seraphim Hanisch

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If this doesn’t make your head spin, perhaps you are either dead, or sufficiently “woke.” The Humboldt County Annual Women’s March, set for January 19th of this year got canceled because it was “too white.”

Yes. Too white. This is a county in Northern California, 270 miles north of San Francisco. According to the Wikipedia entry, on this locale, the 2016 census gave this demographic result.

In other words, the county’s own demographics are very white.

So, does this make sense? No? Well, maybe the interview will clear it up.

Still no?

It seems that Jesse Watters was just as stunned as anyone else. The expression on his face is priceless. Should I laugh now, or later? How does this woman actually believe her own rhetoric?

But the woman, Kelsey Reedy, seems to have the logic worked out in her mind.

Maybe that is because she is a woman. A liberal woman. Fantasy turned inside out. But wait! She also even included expletive language on a televised interview, which is indecent in of itself.

It would appear that being “woke” can truly turn in on itself.

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“The Criminals Who Run The Deep State Will Be Exposed”: Kim Dotcom Teases “Next Round Of Leaks”

Kim Dotcom: “Get ready for the next round of leaks.”

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Hacker and serial entrepreneur Kim Dotcom is out with a new prediction for 2019:

“Get ready for the next round of leaks.”

Dotcom then tweeted “This year the criminals who run the Deep State will be exposed,” adding “The shareholders profiting from war and chaos. The billionaires who turn democracy into an illusion. They own politicians, judges and all your data. They are the biggest pirates in history. Want to know who they are?”

For those paying attention, Dotcom dropped massive breadcrumbs going all the way back to 2015 regarding the WikiLeaks release of Hillary Clinton’s emails during the 2016 US election.

And while he’s has made headlines for years, in February Dotcom boldly stated that the DNC “hack” which kicked off the Russian election interference narrative was bogus, tweeting: “Let me assure you, the DNC hack wasn’t even a hack. It was an insider with a memory stick. I know this because I know who did it and why.”

Dotcom says he offered to produce evidence to Special Counsel Robert Mueller, twice, and they never even replied to him.

Apparently Mueller is only interested in the chosen narrative, regardless of whether or not the glove fits.

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