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The Coronavirus story has undergone a paradigm shift, it appears British Columbia’s 6th verified case originated in Iran. This is the first confirmed case I have heard of that originated somewhere other than China. This in no way indicates one way or the other whether the virus is man-made, or something that has occurred due to organic circumstances, but it is a very troubling development.
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It will eventually be everywhere.
No. It will only be where there are crowded conditions and where people spread it from there. So if there ever was a larger spread, a period of isolation will be the most simple remedy. And unless you are in the target group for severe cases – already in poor health, old age, stress, smoking – then the infection with this virus will be even milder than a seasonal cold. Coronavirus has been a well known issue with domestic animals for decades. If you have a dog or cat then a vaccination is standard. Farm animals like pigs and cows… Read more »
Wake up! This is not a seasonal cold. Half of the 20 Italian sufferers are said to be in a serious condition. When did you last hear of the common cold killing anyone because they smoked.
A sad case of normalcy bias!
Everyday the common cold kills people with weak immune sysytems which is exactly what smoking does. The comon cold is a mild symptom of many different viruses from Rhinovirus to influenza and others. The coronavirus is exactly that. Mild in most cases but fatal to those who develop complications from it-like any other virus/cold.
A sad case of ignorance bias will result in failure to understand this.
China: period 8 weeks
cases 76,291; died 2,345; recovered 21,069; serious/critical 11,477
The figures show that your argument has no merit.
China coronavirus hype straight out of the CDC flu playbook Feb24 by Jon Rappoport In today’s episode of Numbskulls and Deceivers in Medical Science, I ask the question: Are Chinese researchers copying an old CDC scam, or have they independently come up with their own lies which happen to mirror CDC hype? In my series on the China epidemic (archive here), I’ve pointed out that pneumonia—the key indicator of the “coronavirus”—can be caused by many other factors: Other microbes, fungi, toxic pollution, etc. And Chinese authorities no longer require direct testing for the coronavirus. Instead, CT scans of the chest… Read more »
It’s also true that 20,000+ have already died in the U.S. from the usual flu.
The CDC estimated that up to 42.9 million people got sick during the 2018-2019 flu season in the U.S. No less than 647,000 people were hospitalized. And 61,200 died.
https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/02/21/no-weapon-left-behind-the-american-hybrid-war-on-china/
It is incomprehensible to me that people are unable to distinguish between this and a bad flu outbreak. You have to stand back and look at the evidence: risk of death to 65-year-old male currently calculated at 1 in 20; apartment buildings welded shut; huge numbers of people on lockdown; comprehensive spraying of the entire environment; 700 cases on a single cruise ship; the world economy crashing and on and on. There are two possibilities: there is a conspiracy to terrify the populations and no virus, or this virus is potentially even more catastrophic than we can imagine. I’ll go… Read more »
As you correctly state, the mortality rate is not that high, nowhere near the “Spanish” influenza at the turn of the century, which is estimated between 10% and 20% for those infected (although modern medical procedures probably play a role there) but what concerns me is the rate at which its spreading from country to country. The idea that there is no virus, and its a conspiracy to terrify people doesn’t seem likely, if I wanted to terrify people with a hoax, I would “hoax” a higher mortality rate than 3%, and I would “hoax” it being fatal for larger… Read more »
ROME: An elderly cancer patient became the third person known to be infected with the coronavirus to die in Italy, health officials said on Sunday (Feb 23), as the number of people contracting the virus continued to mount.
The death of the woman in a hospital in the small city of Crema in Lombardy, the centre of Italy’s coronavirus scare, followed that of a 77-year-old woman on Saturday and a 78-year-old man on Friday, the first victim of coronavirus in Europe.
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/italy-announces-three-deaths-linked-to-covid-19-12462900
Lots of Chinese working in Iran, which has cases of infection, incl some deaths. So this is not much different than people catching it on a cruise ship from fellow travelers. Fear mongering media.
A week ago, I felt much the same way, I am much less sure now. I DO agree with what you say as to it only being an issue for those with weakened immune systems, and the stories of it being an engineered bio-weapon are laughable (if you are trying to unleash a virus to depopulate a nation, you DO NOT engineer one that targets the part of the population that is no longer breeding, if it is to target them economically, you do not target the part of the population that is no longer employed), and yes, you are… Read more »
I’m not sure in what circumstances it could ever be considered a good idea to create a virus that has the potential to come back and bite you, but that such viruses have been created is not in doubt. If this virus takes out the sick and old, the economic benefit to countries with aging populations (like those with previous one-child policies) is obvious. If your aim is to flush out rural populations and install a new social paradigm (like Agenda 2030, for example), then again, weeding out the old makes perfect sense. If your aim is to destroy the… Read more »
There is credible evidence that H1N1 was human engineered, I have not seen any evidence that I see as credible for Coronavirus, and China doesn’t have the slightest interest in anything like agenda 2030, China rejects Mathusianism out of hand, that’s a western thing, its not part of the Asian zeitgeist AT ALL, which is why I am deeply embedded in the Asian community (I volunteer with a Buddhist NGO and my wife is Vietnamese, most of my social circle is from SE Asia) and the entire Asian world view is about progress and moving forward, they reject that shit… Read more »
So you think that if the virus was engineered (which you see no evidence for) that it would be the Chinese that were responsible. That seems to me to narrow the speculation unnecessarily and for no good reason. In fact if I were to consider pointing the finger, I would follow the money. That would probably lead me back to western financial interests.
I knew from your first post you were slowly working your way around to this. Show some credible evidence that its American in origin. The two possible man-made sources that have been cited are a Winnipeg lab, that a Chinese national has supposedly stolen it from (far fetched at best), or that it somehow escaped from the Wuhan facility. IF it is man-made (which, until I see some credible evidence for, I do not believe), this is the only credible source. I’m interested in facts and empirical evidence, not internet conspiracy theories. And any conspiracy theorist worth his salt would… Read more »
No Weapon Left Behind: The American Hybrid War on China “……………………..There’s no question coronavirus, so far, has been a Heaven-sent politically useful tool, reaching, with minimum investment, the desired targets of maximized U.S. global power – even if fleetingly, enhanced by a non-stop propaganda offensive – and China relatively isolated with its economy semi paralyzed. Yet perspective is in order. The CDC estimated that up to 42.9 million people got sick during the 2018-2019 flu season in the U.S. No less than 647,000 people were hospitalized. And 61,200 died. This report details the Chinese “people’s war” against coronavirus. It’s up… Read more »
Well yes, you are indeed very good indeed at dreaming up incredible theories. I, on the other hand, have already stated that I haven’t got a clue whether or not it is engineered, so anything else is pure speculation. Where you got the idea that I was referring to the US government, I have no idea, I never mentioned America. By western financial interests I mean the criminal element that run the international banking system. They identify with no particular nationality and care only about maximising power and wealth. But your post was entertaining reading and certainly challenged my imagination.… Read more »
You are doing ok yourself. 😉 Ok, fair enough, you didn’t specify the US, I jumped to the wrong conclusion. In my defence, there are a TON of wackjobs on other coronavirus threads INSISTING that its a “fact” that its a US bio-weapon attack, providing NO evidence other their opinion. I reflexively lumped you in with the “lowing herd”, I apologize. I am always ready to admit when I have stuck my fat foot in my mouth. And if I did think, or subsequent evidence gives me reason to believe that it is in fact an engineered bio-weapon, I would… Read more »
I have read credible reports with good reason to say this was a manufactured virus. An indian report that there is an HIV component. A report that it has a tag to Asian lungs so targetting the Asian population. Other reports that undermine any thought that this was wild. BTW, China was very quick to publish the details of the virus make-up world wide. China responds as if this was warfare and takes major tough measures to shut this down. China, however, will not publically accuse the USA/CIA/MOSSAD of manufacturing and delivering this to target China, but will remember who… Read more »
and I read, on the Duran about the Indian report linking to the HIV component, and I actually commented on that thread as to how disturbing the HIV component was. I later saw information discrediting the indian report. I will try to find the original Duran post, as well as the information discrediting it and link it here, it dates back to the earliest days of the Coronavirus outbreak.
Ok, well, that took some digging, but here is the Duran post where the HIV component was first mentioned on the Duran, its in Paul Martins comment about 1/2 way through the comments, my response is immediately below it.
https://theduran.mystagingwebsite.com/who-declares-international-health-emergency-over-coronavirus-outbreak/
Dr. Eric Feigl-Ding debunks the Indian study here.
https://twitter.com/DrEricDing
So that’s George Hartwells narrative thoroughly debunked, and I had gone though that story 3 weeks ago. For the ideologically committed, I know this means NOTHING, Trump cooked it up in his bathtub, yadayadayada…
Youtube video on the same story.
On the issue of HIV Indian study being debunked – Why did the team of scientists in India find elements of HIV in the coronavirus genome that is believed to raise the infectious potential, a finding, if correct, implies the engineering of a bioterror weapon? If the Indian scientists’ findings are correct, we should expect them to be shouted down by government supported scientists. To save their careers, they would have to acknowledge a mistake in their research. If the virus were a US manufactured one, China would have the same incentive to coverup the fact as Washington, because otherwise… Read more »
Viruses will be mutating fast right now because we are at solar minimum and therefore maximum cosmic ray flux. As Matthew Ehret pointed out, cosmic rays make viruses mutate. There was a ‘cosmic ray anomaly’ before the H1N1 flu outbreak. https://www.longdom.org/open-access/electron-flux-and-cosmic-ray-anomaly-before-hn-outbreak-2332-2594-2-113.pdf oldandjaded, you mentioned in a comment that there is credible evidence for human engineering of H1N1. Actually the scientist who did it pointed out that the changes he made have been observed in clinical isolates, meaning he was only doing what nature does. His virus was not the source of the outbreak. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/exclusive-controversial-us-scientist-creates-deadly-new-flu-strain-for-pandemic-research-9577088.html Everybody freaked out at what he… Read more »
Ok, now THIS is what I’m talkin about! Great post Jane, thanks for contributing. The virus will continue to mutate now that its widespread in the human population, that’s what viruses do, “mutation” or another word for the same process, “evolution” is what life does. The spread of this virus is whats really concerning to me. Whether it evolves into something that will have a higher mortality rate is an open question.
Yes indeed. Actually I haven’t been able to find anything that might be worrying in that context. It’s the host’s response to the virus that makes it deadly, not so much the virus itself. Most of the people this virus kills are men, and many have cardiovascular disease, which is more common in men than women and is a known consequence of copper deficiency.
Interesting to note, China and Korea also have a VERY high percentage of smokers in their elderly male populations. When I was in China, it was almost universal that men over 40 smoked.
“The Eyes of Darkness,” 1996 edition. (Twitter photo) Older versions of the book refer to the disease as “Gorki-400.” (Twitter photo) China’s coronavirus predicted in 1981 US novel American author predicts coronavirus-like outbreak and names disease ‘Wuhan-400’ 143670 By Ching-Tse Cheng, Taiwan News, Staff Writer 2020/02/13 15:50 TAIPEI (Taiwan News) — As the Wuhan virus claims new victims around the world, Twitter users have pointed out that in the 1981 novel, “The Eyes of the Darkness,” there is a disease called “Wuhan-400.” The American author, Dean Koontz’s suspense thrillers have often appeared on The New York Times Best Seller list.… Read more »
In being rigorously fair and honest, I would treat a story originating in Taiwan, putting forward the position that China created the virus as a weapon with the same sort of skepticism I am treating the reports that it is a weapon engineered by the Americans. I work with a Taiwan based NGO, and Taiwanese share a virulent anti-Chinese ideological bias, every bit as much as people on the Duran share a virulently anti-American bias. This sort of systemic bias calls for a much higher burden of proof, on both sides.
The link to the Etienne De Harven interview is FACINATING and very informative, opens up a whole new level, that’s for posting that. REALLY good stuff.
Still hunting for the Duran post that had the info on the indian report, but found this piece on Chussudovskys site, quoting a 3% mortality rate (3% of reported cases end in mortality, NOT 3% of population) for Coronavirus.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/flu-bigger-concern-wuhan-virus-grabs-headlines/5701932?fbclid=IwAR1pMC68y_gaxLcM7Vus6uuGa4iEXpeOgKBcLYXGp2gjQE90pJC56c905pk
Unfortunately, it is difficult to establish an equivalent mortality rate for influenza, due to the much lower rate of reporting
SINGAPORE: No new COVID-19 cases were reported in Singapore as of noon on Sunday (Feb 23), the Ministry of Health (MOH) said in a daily update, leaving the total number of cases in the country at 89.
This is the first time no new cases have been reported in Singapore since Feb 3.
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-coronavirus-singapore-moh-update-new-cases-discharged-12462176
This would be VERY good news if it holds up over a few days. This is what usually happens with these things, the infection rate climbs rapidly, then noses over 4 to 6 weeks in. So far all we have seen with Coronavirus is an exponential increase.
Wuhan and the polluted air as a cause of epidemic illness by Jon Rappoport Horrific air quality brings on lung infections of all kinds, including pneumonia. Pneumonia is THE illness attributed to the corona virus. How convenient. The Chinese government has recently ruled that testing patients for the corona virus isn’t necessary for a diagnosis of “epidemic illness.” A CT scan of the lungs is sufficient. If the patient thus shows signs of pneumonia, he is labelled “a corona virus case.” https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/02/23/wuhan-and-the-polluted-air-as-a-cause-of-epidemic-illness/ Pneumonia, Bacteria or virus caused? The good news? “Most cases of viral pneumonia are mild,” notes the National… Read more »
A quick tip that I figured out by trail and error. If you put more than one link in a single post it gets sent for moderation, and the person who started the thread doesnt see it until they log in to their email. If you do one link per post, it wont go to moderation, it will posy instantly. FWIW, I will never decline anything sent for moderation on one of my threads (unless its TOTALLY off topic) but using a maximum of one link per post means it goes up right away, and doesn’t have to wait for… Read more »
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