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SOFAGATE EU Ursula says Erdogan snub was about women & misogyny

SOFAGATE EU Ursula says Erdogan snub was about women & misogyny

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‘Sofagate:’ Ursula von der Leyen speaks of sexism after Turkey snub

‘Sofagate:’ Ursula von der Leyen speaks of sexism after Turkey snub | DW | 26.04.2021

European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen made a plea on Monday to advance women’s rights as she opened up about the incident dubbed “sofagate.” Three weeks ago, von der Leyen was seated apart from her male counterparts during a meeting of EU leaders with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan in Ankara.

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Luka-The-K9
Reply to  Luka-The-K9
April 28, 2021

Meanwhile in France:

“TG 328: Turmoil in France as Retired French Generals Warn of Coup and Civil
War”

What goes around....
What goes around....
Reply to  Luka-The-K9
April 29, 2021

Couldn’t happen to a nicer supporter of Ukraine.

FranBrown
FranBrown
April 28, 2021

You either believe in sexism, or you don’t. I don’t, I know I am equal to men even though I’m different, I don’t need it demonstrating to the world by being made to ‘take a place’ of equality, it’s like a lot of things, an attitude of mind.

Ann
Ann
Reply to  FranBrown
April 30, 2021

Good attitude. I feel like that too. Somehow I think this woman lost her esteem and felt defeated during their meeting. She couldn’t ask for a chair.

Helga I. Fellay
Helga I. Fellay
April 28, 2021

I totally agree with Ursula van der Leyen when she says “Erdogan snub was about women & misogyny.” What else can you possibly call it. It was in your face obvious. The only possible question is whose misogyny? We know that Erdogan, an Islamist who values traditional Muslim values and customs, is indeed a misogynist. What comes as a shock is that the EU’s Michel quickly, without even a moment’s hesitation, joined Erdogan in this openly despicable act – he, a representative of the EU that pretends to be “woke” and non-sexist. Ursula was so shocked at this totally unexpected… Read more »

Smoking Eagle
Smoking Eagle
Reply to  Helga I. Fellay
April 28, 2021

“We know that Erdogan, an Islamist who values traditional Muslim values and customs, is indeed a misogynist.” So you are suggesting that traditional Muslim values and customs are misogynistic? As a white woman who lived for six years in traditional Muslim communities in two countries in the Middle East and also in North Africa, and who has many male and female Arabic friends, I can tell you that this view of Muslims is generally wrong. Of course, you’re always going to come across some Muslim misogynists, just as there are many among non-Muslims in Europe and North America. A public… Read more »

Helga I. Fellay
Helga I. Fellay
Reply to  Smoking Eagle
April 28, 2021

You sound like you are a misogynist yourself. Just because Middle Eastern men love to watch belly dancers doesn’t prove that they are not misogynists. You probably have no clue what the word really signifies. You certainly haven’t picked up much practical information on your travels to Muslim countries.

Smoking Eagle
Smoking Eagle
Reply to  Helga I. Fellay
April 30, 2021

Do excuse me for saying so but that is a daft comment. I think you need a dictionary. Why would I when living a normal respectful everyday community life in the Middle East and North Africa ever have seen belly dancers? Do you think the streets are paved with them? They are probably confined to nightclubs for fat aging white western male tourists. Nightclubs just happen to be the only places where one can consume alcohol, apart from some western-style hotel bars.

It is very obvious that you have never lived or travelled in a Muslim country. Ignorance shows.

Franz Beckenbauer
Franz Beckenbauer
Reply to  Smoking Eagle
April 29, 2021

Well, Ergogan’s muslim brotherhood is, let’s say, a special branch of the faith. One walk through Istambul (the world’s capital of headscarves) gives you a pretty good chance of seeing women following their husbands (the number of their wifes depends on how many he can afford) with 2 meters distance, and not because of the “pandemic”. The really faithful sometimes pull them on a dog leash.

No misogyny here. Move on. Just “cultural differences”as geriatric Joe would say.

Smoking Eagle
Smoking Eagle
Reply to  Franz Beckenbauer
April 30, 2021

I have never been to Turkey, but most Muslim women everywhere seem to cover their hair. When I lived THEIR countries, my not covering my hair certainly didn’t bother them. I was just a foreigner with a different culture. I once went by calèche to a wonderful mosque in the Afghan countryside a few miles outside Herat. There were signs outside the entrance in various languages, Italian, German, French, Spanish, English, Swedish, etc. The message read: We understand your wish to visit our holy shrine. As a visitor, you do not need to cover your head or remove your shoes.… Read more »

Ann
Ann
Reply to  Helga I. Fellay
April 30, 2021

You have a good comment.

Smoking Eagle
Smoking Eagle
April 28, 2021

Ursula von der Leyen should have a little chat with Charles Michel because whatever she says about Erdogan being sexist she could equally say about him. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that he actually enjoyed usurping her. Ursula is a petty idiot with a very fragile ego. Ermgate / Sofagate, all would have gone away quietly by the next day if she hadn’t made such a big huge fuss about nothing at all. It might never have started if Charles had showed better judgement. I have just read this comment by Michel in Euronews: “I make no secret of… Read more »

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TravelAbout
TravelAbout
Reply to  Smoking Eagle
April 28, 2021

Goodness with all the really significant issues ongoing in the world this situation reminds me of the title of Shakespeare’s play ‘Much Ado About Nothing’.

Smoking Eagle
Smoking Eagle
Reply to  TravelAbout
April 28, 2021

No kidding. Three bottoms, two chairs, and a sofa and we have a global emergency.

BaronVonWeaselTeets
BaronVonWeaselTeets
April 28, 2021
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It had more to do with sit in the corner and shut up while the leaders talk. Pro Move from Erdogan

Helga I. Fellay
Helga I. Fellay
Reply to  BaronVonWeaselTeets
April 28, 2021

I would phrase it as “It had more to do with sit in the corner and shut up while the men talk. In Turkey, men and women are often seated in different rooms, even within the family. (I am referring to the Anatolian hinterlands, not the urban centers like Istanbul, Ankara and Izmir, along with the tourist towns along the Aegean and Mediterranean coasts). When it comes to violence against women, Turkey ranks close to bottom. They still have about 2,000 “honor killings” per year, although it was outlawed I think a year ago, maybe two. Since then the girls… Read more »

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Tom
Tom
April 29, 2021

Its a good thing. Ursula VonderLeyen destroyed the German Army as defense minister. Germany has today a woke army exactly what is happening in the US. She will destroy the European Soviet Union heading towards the iceberg anyway. VonderLeyden and Michel incompetence is there for everybody to see. Its not a coincidence Putin and Lavrov saying there is nobody home in the EU to deal with.

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