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Seriously? Nutcase Ukraine politician insists ‘Jesus Christ was Ukrainian’

Rostislav Novozhenets, a Ukrainian politician from Lvov claims that Jesus Christ was an “Ancient Ukrainian”

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Just when you thought it hit rock bottom, Ukraine managed a major breakthrough in its descent into profound insanity.

The latest new low occurred on Orthodox Christmas eve, when Rostislav Novozhenets, Deputy Head of Ukrainian Republican Party and former deputy of the Lviv Regional Council declared that Jesus Christ is actually an “ancient Ukrainian”. The website Stalkerzone provides this translation from the original at Poltava Navigator:

“It is known that in 1200 BC, a new wave of settlement from Ukraine took place over all the world, including Palestine. The tribes of Gauls, Celts, and Cimmerians, who lived and formed on the territory of Ukraine, founded Galilee in Palestine,” said Novozhenets.

He additionally stated that Jesus must be of the Ukrainian genome because His Mother, the Ever-Virgin Mary, was “blue eyed” and did not resemble Semites.

“Jesus Christ was tall, his height was 1.80m, while Jews were short, no more than 1.60m. He had fair hair and a straight nose. Jews, as is known, have an aquiline nose. He had a typical appearance for Aryans, Slavs. Even his language: those who know the ancient Ukrainian language, it was kept only in Carpathians, in particular – Lemkos. As is known, people who are put on a cross during torture always remember their native language. He, in fact, spoke with a Lemkos dialect. It is necessary to remember this. We have to believe that Jesus Christ is an ancient Ukrainian. We must be proud of Ukrainians being the most ancient nation, which gave to the world the first civilization, the first state, the first wheel, agriculture, the plough. All of this is the legacy of Ukrainians, who shared it with the world.”

For those of you who speak Ukrainian, here is the source video:

I regard our readers to be of above average intelligence, and as a result, I do not wish to patronize them, by stating the obvious – everything we just heard was complete nonsense. Rather, below follows a more academic criticism of his statements, from the point of view of Slavic anthropology and philology. Let’s take a look at his most ridiculous statements and see how they hold up to historical evidence.

First, let’s address the notion of “Ancient Ukraine”. There is no such thing as “Ancient Ukraine” with the connotation of it being an independent state, prior to, and unrelated to the Russian one. The ancestors of Ukrainians were the same as that of Russians, and Belarusians: the Old East Slavs, who by the 9th century became part of a state known as Rus’ or “Kievan Rus”.

According to the Primary Chronicle, the first Princes formed the state in Kiev, after Rurik landed at Novgorod in 862 A.D. This happened thousands of years after era the Ukrainian politician was referring to as “Ancient Ukraine”. Russians, Ukrainians, and Belarussians share a common origin, Kievan Rus’ belongs equally to them, as it came equally before them as their ancestor. As historian Andrey Vlasov says regarding Kievan Rus’

 “We can no longer define whether it’s Ukraine or Moscow Russia, it all happened before that.”

Furthermore, Archaeologist Pyotr Tolochko reminds us that in the late East Slavic common period, “There were no Ukrainians, no Russians, no Belarusians, and there were ancient Ruthenians [Rus’ people, the ancestors of Russians, Ukrainians, and Belarussians).”

Let’s move onto the next part of the politicians statement:

“a new wave of settlement from Ukraine”

From modern Ukraine, or the territory of what became Ukraine? Regardless weather or not this even happened, people who lived on a certain territory thousands of years ago are not necessarily related at all to the current inhabitants. Ancient Syrian people, as well as all of modern Turkey spoke Greek in Jesus’s time…now, not so much? How many Americans are relative to the indigenous peoples for example.

And here is where it gets really bizarre, this next statement really raises some red flags:

“As it is known, people who are put on a cross during torture always remember their native language”

How is that known?!? Been crucifying anyone lately? Perhaps your own people? How can anyone know what someone would do with iron bars driven through your bone and flesh. Moreover he offers zero evidence as to how this relates to The Savior’s passion, save for this next uncorroborated statement.

“He, in fact, spoke with a Lemkos dialect”

How would you know that either? Did you hear him speak when you lived 2000 years ago? To be fair, there is such a thing as theoretical linguistics, and linguists also practice the art of piecing together ancient languages from what clues we have and patterns in modern descendants.

Proto-Indo-European (PIE) is a reconstructed language based on scientific evidence of a language spoken between 4500 to 2500 B.C. – the common ancestor of Slavic (including Russian), Romance, Hellenic, Germanic (including English), and may other language families!

For example, we know by looking at late period Latin writers, what older Latin pronunciation sounded like, by their criticism of contemporary Latin. For more on how we can know what a dead language sounds like, see this video.

Lemkos themselves, who the Deputy speaks about, are a subgroup of Carpatho-Russians or Rusyns. They speak the Rusyn language, which is a descendant of Old Ruthenian, also known as Chancery Slavonic. Sometimes called Old West Russian, this language developed in Lithuanian Rus’ between the 13th to 17th centuries, as it diverged from the Vladimir-Suzdal dialect which became the Written Moscow language.

All these languages are descended from Old East Slavic, the vernacular of which is assisted in the Novgorod Birch Letters…it sounds very little like Rusyn. It is impossible for a 1st century individual to have spoken with a Lemko dialect, even if one believes in “Ancient Ukraine”, as we know beyond a doubt how the Old East Slavic language was written…it is far more archaic than Rusyn. No one in Ukraine can read it without training. Here is a chart of Old East Slavic compared to the modern languages. See for yourself how different it is to modern Ukrainian and Russian for that matter:

“We have to believe that Jesus Christ is an ancient Ukrainian.”

No. No we do not.

Finally, he goes on to say that Ukraine gave the world the “first civilization, the first state, the first wheel, agriculture, the plow”. That statement is so ridiculous it is not even worth defending. It may worth be pointing out, however, that the word Ukraine does, in fact, appear in the Bible…specifically the 19th chapter of the Gospel of Matthew printed in the 16th century Peresopnytsia Gospel.

The phrase “in ukraine” въ_оукрайны v ukraуny is found in the middle row on the right.

Before accepting this as proof of his argument for “Ancient Ukraine” take note that this use of the word “Ukraine” refers to the border or coastline…in Judea…by the Jordan River, having absolutely nothing to do with modern or “ancient” Ukraine. That is the meaning of the word Ukraine, borderland, this is not an insult, but a statement of historical fact supported even by academic Ukrainian sources.

In conclusion, this speech from this Leopolitan (a citizen of Lvov), is incredibly ignorant. The claims are so outrageous, one can hardly tell if he is trolling or actually serious. In any event, he comes off as either childish or profoundly insane. Sadly, this type of behaviour has become all too common in post-Maidan Ukraine.

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Constantinople: Ukrainian Church leader is now uncanonical

October 12 letter proclaims Metropolitan Onuphry as uncanonical and tries to strong-arm him into acquiescing through bribery and force.

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The pressure in Ukraine kept ratcheting up over the last few days, with a big revelation today that Patriarch Bartholomew now considers Metropolitan Onuphy “uncanonical.” This news was published on 6 December by a hierarch of the canonical Ukrainian Orthodox Church (running under the Moscow Patriarchate).

This assessment marks a complete 180-degree turn by the leader of the Orthodox Patriarchate of Constantinople, and it further embitters the split that has developed to quite a major row between this church’s leadership and the Moscow Patriarchate.

OrthoChristian reported this today (we have added emphasis):

A letter of Patriarch Bartholomew of Constantinople to His Beatitude Metropolitan Onuphry of Kiev and All Ukraine was published yesterday by a hierarch of the canonical Ukrainian Orthodox Church, in which the Patriarch informed the Metropolitan that his title and position is, in fact, uncanonical.

This assertion represents a negation of the position held by Pat. Bartholomew himself until April of this year, when the latest stage in the Ukrainian crisis began…

The same letter was independently published by the Greek news agency Romfea today as well.

It is dated October 12, meaning it was written just one day after Constantinople made its historic decision to rehabilitate the Ukrainian schismatics and rescind the 1686 document whereby the Kiev Metropolitanate was transferred to the Russian Orthodox Church, thereby, in Constantinople’s view, taking full control of Ukraine.

In the letter, Pat. Bartholomew informs Met. Onuphry that after the council, currently scheduled for December 15, he will no longer be able to carry his current title of “Metropolitan of Kiev and All Ukraine.”

The Patriarch immediately opens his letter with Constantinople’s newly-developed historical claim about the jurisdictional alignment of Kiev: “You know from history and from indisputable archival documents that the holy Metropolitanate of Kiev has always belonged to the jurisdiction of the Mother Church of Constantinople…”

Constantinople has done an about-face on its position regarding Ukraine in recent months, given that it had previously always recognized the Metropolitan of Kiev and All Ukraine of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church-Moscow Patriarchate as the sole canonical primate in Ukraine.

…The bulk of the Patriarch’s letter is a rehash of Constantinople’s historical and canonical arguments, which have already been laid out and discussed elsewhere. (See also here and here). Pat. Bartholomew also writes that Constantinople stepped into the Ukrainian ecclesiastical sphere as the Russian Church had not managed to overcome the schisms that have persisted for 30 years.

It should be noted that the schisms began and have persisted precisely as anti-Russian movements and thus the relevant groups refused to accept union with the Russian Church.

Continuing, Pat. Bartholomew informs Met. Onuphry that his position and title are uncanonical:

Addressing you as ‘Your Eminence the Metropolitan of Kiev’ as a form of economia [indulgence/condescension—OC] and mercy, we inform you that after the elections for the primate of the Ukrainian Church by a body that will consist of clergy and laity, you will not be able ecclesiologically and canonically to bear the title of Metropolitan of Kiev, which, in any case, you now bear in violation of the described conditions of the official documents of 1686.

He also entreats Met. Onuphry to “promptly and in a spirit of harmony and unity” participate, with the other hierarchs of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, in the founding council of the new Ukrainian church that Constantinople is planning to create, and in the election of its primate.

The Constantinople head also writes that he “allows” Met. Onuphry to be a candidate for the position of primate.

He further implores Met. Onuphry and the UOC hierarchy to communicate with Philaret Denisenko, the former Metropolitan of Kiev, and Makary Maletich, the heads of the schismatic “Kiev Patriarchate” and the schismatic “Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church” respectively—both of which have been subsumed into Constantinople—but whose canonical condemnations remain in force for the canonical Ukrainian Orthodox Church.

The hierarchs of the Serbian and Polish Churches have also officially rejected the rehabilitation of the Ukrainian schismatics.

Pat. Bartholomew concludes expressing his confidence that Met. Onuphry will decide to heal the schism through the creation of a new church in Ukraine.

The Ukrainian Orthodox Church under Metropolitan Onuphry’s leadership is recognized as the sole canonical Orthodox jurisdiction in Ukraine by just about every other canonical Orthodox Jurisdiction besides Constantinople. Even NATO member Albania, whose expressed reaction was “both sides are wrong for recent actions” still does not accept the canonicity of the “restored hierarchs.”

In fact, about the only people in this dispute that seem to be in support of the “restored” hierarchs, Filaret and Makary, are President Poroshenko, Patriarch Bartholomew, Filaret and Makary… and NATO.

While this letter was released to the public eye yesterday, the nearly two months that Metropolitan Onuphry has had to comply with it have not been helped in any way by the actions of both the Ecumenical Patriarchate and the Ukrainian government.

Priests of the Canonical Church in Ukraine awaiting interrogation by the State authorities

For example, in parallel reports released on December 6th, the government is reportedly accusing canonical priests in Ukraine of treason because they are carrying and distributing a brochure entitled (in English): The Ukrainian Orthodox Church: Relations with the State. The Attitude Towards the Conflict in Donbass and to the Church Schism. Questions and Answers.

In a manner that would do any American liberal proud, these priests are being accused of inciting religious hatred, though really all they are doing is offering an explanation for the situation in Ukraine as it exists.

A further piece also released yesterday notes that the Ukrainian government rehabilitated an old Soviet-style technique of performing “inspections of church artifacts” at the Pochaev Lavra. This move appears to be both intended to intimidate the monastics who are living there now, who are members of the canonical Church, as well as preparation for an expected forcible takeover by the new “united Church” that is under creation. The brotherhood characterized the inspections in this way:

The brotherhood of the Pochaev Lavra previously characterized the state’s actions as communist methods of putting pressure on the monastery and aimed at destroying monasticism.

Commenting on the situation with the Pochaev Lavra, His Eminence Archbishop Clement of Nizhyn and Prilusk, the head of the Ukrainian Church’s Information-Education Department, noted:

This is a formal raiding, because no reserve ever built the Pochaev Lavra, and no Ministry of Culture ever invested a single penny to restoring the Lavra, and the state has done nothing to preserve the Lavra in its modern form. The state destroyed the Lavra, turned it into a psychiatric hospital, a hospital for infectious diseases, and so on—the state has done nothing more. And now it just declares that it all belongs to the state. No one asked the Church, the people that built it. When did the Lavra and the land become state property? They belonged to the Church from time immemorial.

With the massive pressure both geopolitically and ecclesiastically building in Ukraine almost by the day, it is anyone’s guess what will happen next.

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Ukrainian leadership is a party of war, and it will continue as long as they’re in power – Putin

“We care about Ukraine because Ukraine is our neighbor,” Putin said.

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Russia’s President Vladimir Putin has branded the Ukrainian leadership a “party of war” which would continue fueling conflicts while they stay in power, giving the recent Kerch Strait incident as an example.

“When I look at this latest incident in the Black Sea, all what’s happening in Donbass – everything indicates that the current Ukrainian leadership is not interested in resolving this situation at all, especially in a peaceful way,” Putin told reporters during a media conference in the aftermath of the G20 summit in Buenos Aires, Argentina.

This is a party of war and as long as they stay in power, all such tragedies, all this war will go on.

The Kiev authorities are craving war primarily for two reasons – to rip profits from it, and to blame all their own domestic failures on it and actions of some sort of “aggressors.”

“As they say, for one it’s war, for other – it’s mother. That’s reason number one why the Ukrainian government is not interested in a peaceful resolution of the conflict,” Putin stated.

Second, you can always use war to justify your failures in economy, social policy. You can always blame things on an aggressor.

This approach to statecraft by the Ukrainian authorities deeply concerns Russia’s President. “We care about Ukraine because Ukraine is our neighbor,” Putin said.

Tensions between Russia and Ukraine have been soaring after the incident in the Kerch Strait. Last weekend three Ukrainian Navy ships tried to break through the strait without seeking the proper permission from Russia. Following a tense stand-off and altercation with Russia’s border guard, the vessels were seized and their crews detained over their violation of the country’s border.

While Kiev branded the incident an act of “aggression” on Moscow’s part, Russia believes the whole Kerch affair to be a deliberate “provocation” which allowed Kiev to declare a so-called “partial” martial law ahead of Ukraine’s presidential election.

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When Putin Met Bin Sally

Another G20 handshake for the history books.

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In the annals of handshake photo-ops, we just may have a new winner (much to the delight of oil bulls who are looking at oil treading $50 and contemplating jumping out of the window).

Nothing but sheer joy, delight and friendship…

…but something is missing…

Meanwhile, earlier…

Zoomed in…

And again.

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