NATO is anti-Europe, and only billionaires benefit from wars.

26 July 2026, posted by Eric Zuesse. (All of my recent articles can be seen here.)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_OLhQDeaKA

“NATO Pushes Europe Toward Total Collapse – Countdown to ALL-OUT War Has Begun | Dr. Jan Oberg”

25 July 2026

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JAN OBERG: You have a total military production

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dependence very strong at least of the

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US because we’ve always stupidly

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believed that the US was there for us.

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The US is here for the US, and the idea

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with NATO has never been to protect

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Europe. The project called NATO

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is a US project to secure that if there

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is a war it will be in Europe and not on

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US soil. That’s forward defense. This is

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the idea of deterrence. This is American

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nuclear weapons in Europe. It is to have

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the fight here. The West

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which is 12% of humanity is going down.

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We are now the last empire. That empire

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is getting weaker and weaker, more and

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more desperate and cannot tolerate that

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there are different views. I mean the

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more weak you are, the more intolerant

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you are.

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LYANNA PETROVA: Welcome to World Affairs and Context

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everybody. I’m Lyanna Petrova and today

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I’m honored to welcome back a fantastic

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guest Dr. Jan Oberg. Jan is a Swedish

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peace and conflict researcher, author

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and co-founder of the Transnational

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Foundation for Peace and Future Research,

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which is an organization I absolutely

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admire and I follow on Substack and on

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Twitter or X. I highly highly recommend

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that all our viewers subscribe to it as

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well. Jan, welcome back to the program.

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Thank you so much for joining.

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>> OBERG: Oh, it’s a great pleasure for me being

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with you. I think you’re doing such good

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and important and highly relevant,

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urgently important work. So, I hope I

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can contribute to it. So, we have some

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synergy from sitting here. Let me just

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add to your introduction that um the

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Transnational Foundation is completely

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independent of government

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funding and corporate funding. We are

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only people financed, and we are all

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volunteers, 50 people around the world.

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I just want to say that because there’s

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very little really truly free research

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and public education left in the western

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world in this area.

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>> PETROVA: Absolutely. And thank you so much for

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clarifying. I think it is very very

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important to know that because there is

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a big difference between the research

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produced by government funded uh think

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tanks and and institutes and those that

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are independent like yours. Yeah,

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absolutely. Um recently I came across

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two outstanding articles that you

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published on your Substack and um you

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discussed um basically you focused on

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the European Union’s transition to war

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economies and I think this is the most

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important topic of of of

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today because this touches upon every

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single aspect of our lives and it

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increasingly feels as though Europe as a

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whole is heading toward a major military

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confrontation.

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that we haven’t seen since World War II.

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Um, Jan, would you give us a sense of

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what you are observing across the EU in

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terms of economic and security policy

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transformations?

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>> OBERG: Well, I chose a perspective that has not

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been discussed as part of this

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rearmament in Europe, which comes as a

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very unfortunate consequence of the

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stupid NATO expansion that was responded

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to in an counter-productive way by by

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Russia invading Ukraine and both parties

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being happy to use the Ukrainian

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people for their battle. Um and that

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perspective was the economic one.

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[clears throat] I was motivated by the

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fact that you’ve heard secretary

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generals of NATO, you’ve heard the

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Danish prime minister, you’ve had a lot

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of European leaders say that it’s a one

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it’s one way to get the wheels running

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in the European economy is to invest in

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the military and switch to a war

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economy. There’s all I mean it’s not I

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don’t think the term war economy has

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been put into any official document but

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that’s what they do from a civilian

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peacetime economy to converting it to a

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military basically like the military

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should be uplifting the rest of the

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economy, and then I was reminded of the

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fact that in the 70s and 80s we were a

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number of peace researchers and

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economists

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who worked with the issue of what was at

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that time called conversion and that was

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the idea could you convert the military

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industry to civilian industry and get

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a beneficial effect of that, for

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instance there was the Swedish diplomat

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or disarmament minister Inga’s big study

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in the United Nations of this and I sat

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at the time at the Danish government’s

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security and disarmament commission and

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the whole thing about what is the

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relationship between military

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investments and civilian investments

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is something that we should discuss now

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because I can tell you now at that time

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and today there does not exist any

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study, any piece of research, any book,

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any dissertation that proves that you

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get more beneficial um effects of

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military investments than you do from

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similar civilian investments in the

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economy. So if you want to waste money,

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go for the military. If you want to

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waste and get less employment effects,

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innovative effects, spillovers to the

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civilian sector, uh worse hospitals,

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less cultural life, less welfare for the

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people, keep on militarizing your

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economy. It’s: there is nobody who has

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proved the opposite of what I just said.

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Interestingly enough,

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those who say this today are not

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research institutes. We are the only one

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here in Sweden, not in the only one in

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Sweden, we the only one in Europe, who

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have published this analysis saying

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these things.

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No other research institute have done

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it. Not CRI, not PO, not the other peace

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research, not those you would expect

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knowing about economy and military and

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beneficial or nonbeneficial effects of

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it. It’s the banks

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and the bank studies you will find if I

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remember correctly the one is from the

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Danish National Bank and I think the um

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European bank too are clearly saying

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that there are less effects from

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military investments than there would be

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from comparable equally large civilian

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investments. So if you want to I mean

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Europe is in deep economic crisis.

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Germany is falling apart as everybody

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knows. Volkswagen is probably going to be

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taken over by China. You have written

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you have you’ve given a lecture in your

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own program which is excellent about

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these things which I was happy to

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repost. Everybody knows that we are in

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crisis, and there are competitors such as

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China and Russia to a certain extent and

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the US is giving us all these kinds of

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problems with Trump and tariffs and god

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knows what. We’re now choosing European

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leaders are now choosing something that

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they must know if they are not ignorant

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beyond uh permissible

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will make the economy less growth

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oriented, less welfare oriented, less

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innovative in the civilian sector. And

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therefore I call the subtitle of my

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article “Are they ignorant or do they lie

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deliberately?” because they cannot all

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these leaders basically everybody has

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said it is that state leaders they

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cannot not know from their experts if

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they lose any um from their banks etc.

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They cannot be ignorant about the fact

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that I’ve just told you there is no

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study that proves that what they [Europe’s leaders] say is true.

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Investigative historian Eric Zuesse’s latest book, AMERICA’S EMPIRE OF EVIL: Hitler’s Posthumous Victory, and Why the Social Sciences Need to Change, is about how America took over the world after World War II in order to enslave it to U.S.-and-allied billionaires. Their cartels extract the world’s wealth by control of not only their ‘news’ media but the social ‘sciences’ — duping the public.