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Stalin, Ukraine and European security w/ Geoffrey Roberts, Alexander Mercouris and Glenn Diesen

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Thomas La Porte
Thomas La Porte
March 22, 2023

The notions expressed by Roberts and Diesen that Putin’s steps to protect Russia from the destructive, self-centred and hegemonic aggressions of the US demonstrate a colossal act of self-deception.

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Bertil Carlman
Bertil Carlman
March 22, 2023

Stalin was not an idealist as G. Roberts claims. He was a materialist. It is careless to use the word idealist in its more populist sense in this context.

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March 22, 2023

Stalin has never aspired to overshadow Lenin.

“You want to compare a cock to a lighthouse.” – J. V. Stalin on equating his contribution to Leninism with Lenin’s

It is other people who recognize his greatness, Stalin himself was very humble.

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Grzegorz Ochman
March 22, 2023

I disagree. This episode is spreading Western history misinformation. I will respond to this later. If someone is interested in this subject I recommend Viktor Suvorov. Western historians don’t accept him while Eastern do so he’s not taken seriously in Germany, France and England but he is accepted in Poland, Estonia, Lithuania etc.. 

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Reply to  Grzegorz Ochman
March 22, 2023

There are German historians with similar views as Suvorov. Ernst Topitsch for example. It is pretty obvious Stalin saw an inter imperialist war as an opportunity. I don’t believe he was intending to attack in 1941 though. He knew he needs more time after Hitler defeated France. He definitely wanted Hitler to fight Anglo Saxons, which Hitler for some reasons didn’t. Hitler’s ties to Anglo-Saxons and Zionists are bigger taboo.

Crass
Crass
Reply to  Commit
March 22, 2023

“He definitely wanted Hitler to fight Anglo Saxons, which Hitler for some reasons didn’t.  You have no idea what you are taking about! Anglo— A prefex for English. Saxons— were a group of Germanic peoples. The Anglo-Saxon period in Britain was between about 450 and 1066, which was ended by the Norman Conquest of Britain, which was by French troops, who were led by the Duke of Normandy. The Wehrmacht defeated the The Anglo-French Alliance in 1939, in western Europe. What have the Anglo-Saxons got to do with the price of fish! You are not fooling anyone, by upvoting your own… Read more »

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Reply to  Crass
March 22, 2023

By Anglo-Saxons I mean the English speaking nations on all continents. Not the ancient people who settled Britain.

Crass
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Reply to  Commit
March 22, 2023

As in the Bolshevik euphemism for English speakers (Anglo-Saxons).

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Reply to  Crass
March 22, 2023

You said that you are an Irish. Not Bolshevik fault that you abandoned language of your ancestors.

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Reply to  Commit
March 22, 2023

Sorry, I refuse to listen people who adapted language of their enemies preaching about nationalism.

Crass
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Reply to  Commit
March 23, 2023

My ancestors were genocided, in what is miscalled the ‘Irish potato famine’. The Potato blight had noting to do with the genocide. The English Landlords at the time, owned all of the land in Ireland. The Landlords bankers were The HSBC bank which also insidiously killed millions of Chinese in the opium wars, also raised the interest rates on the English landlords in occupied Ireland. The English landlords were also financed from banks within the City of London, which is an independent Jewish state with London.  The English Landlords were forced to ship all of the food stuffs out of… Read more »

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Reply to  Crass
March 22, 2023

I don’t upvote any of my comment. Seems the anti-Stalin propaganda doesn’t work anymore with collapsing world imperialism.

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Crass
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Reply to  Commit
March 22, 2023

“…collapsing world imperialism” —As in the fall of the Greater Israel Empire of the United States. 

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Reply to  Grzegorz Ochman
March 22, 2023

Actually Stalin’s mistake was that he counted on third inter imperialist war to come, which didn’t. Imperialism aligned into single block after WW2. Mostly failure of his successors to adapt policies to new reality though.

Grzegorz Ochman
Reply to  Commit
March 22, 2023

Plans to implement communism across the globe seemed real enough. Exporting the revolution was the basic and fundamental goal from the very beginning of the bolshevik state. Germany was supposed to be the first stage only after combining Russia’s human resources with Germany’s economic potential was the revolution’s ultimate victory deemed feasible. Where’s the money, where’s the heavy industry, where’s the military technology in Germany. We must bring germany under our control over the dead body of poland “Lenin at a closed council of the soviet government on September the 20th 1920: the Polish war was the most important turning… Read more »

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Reply to  Grzegorz Ochman
March 22, 2023

“It is an absolute truth that without a German revolution we are doomed – perhaps not in Petrograd, not in Moscow, but in Vladivostock, in more remote places to which perhaps we shall have to retreat … At all events, under all conceivable circumstances, if the German revolution does not come, we are doomed.” – Lenin

I agree with you. I just don’t believe Stalin was ready to attack Germany in 1941 and I don’t believe Hitler was a Soviet agent. If he was, he would destroy British army when he had the chance.

Grzegorz Ochman
Reply to  Commit
March 22, 2023

“I agree with you. I just don’t believe Stalin was ready to attack Germany” and who said he was? In my opinion even Suvorov doesn’t claim that. He said they were preparing but they were not ready and that’s why operation barbarossa was so effective because instead of bunkers they built bridges and roads which the German army later used to attack. He just claims he was preparing an attack and it’s a myth Russia was just a peaceful loving country. Also it explains one question I have been asking myself since I was a kid. Why Hitler attack Russia… Read more »

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Reply to  Grzegorz Ochman
March 22, 2023

The reasonable thing to do for Hitler would be war against Anglo-saxons with Soviet backing. If he really cared about German nation, which we know he didn’t. His loyalties were to London and Washington bankers.

Grzegorz Ochman
Reply to  Commit
March 23, 2023

You don’t understand, he wanted to do so and only after defeating Anglo-saxons he wanted to attack Soviets but he found out Stalin all the time wanted war, he was the one who provoked it and help Hitler not because he believed in Hitler but because he thought Hitler will fail but will also bleed out Europe making it easy to take over. Stalin all the time was preparing a huge offensive army to attack Europe planned with the US. If Hitler would not attack in 41 then when Normandy or Italy happened the Soviets would open a second front… Read more »

Crass
Crass
Reply to  Commit
March 22, 2023

Actually Stalin’s mistake was that he counted on third inter imperialist war to come, which didn’t.

Oh yes it did, and the imperialism came from Stalin himself!

Stalin was the definition of an ‘imperialistic communist’, as The Soviet Union gobbled up the countries of Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Estonia, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, and Uzbekistan.

Not to mention the Soviet satellite states of Albania, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, East Germany, Hungary, Poland, Romania and Yugoslavia.  

Stalin was an uber-imperialistic communist.

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Reply to  Crass
March 22, 2023

Imperialism is the highest stage of capitalism. Obviously a socialist country could not be imperialist.

Crass
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Reply to  Commit
March 22, 2023

The term ‘imperialism’ is connected to the notion of Empire, and the Soviet Union was an Evil Empire.

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Reply to  Crass
March 22, 2023

I am using the Lenin’s definition of the term.

zleo99
zleo99
March 22, 2023

The reason why peaceful coexistence in Europe has not been achieved, despite many opportunities, is because of the US and British Military Industrial Complex. How are these industries kept going, both for the skills and the jobs of the workers & execs, and also to ensure (which, of course, has failed) “our” ability to manufacture weapons when needed?? As weapons become more and more high tech, more and more investment in plant and skills is required, so these things “must” be kept going. BUT, the post-WW2 power of the US enabled sociopaths to rise to the top and cement their… Read more »

SheBear333
SheBear333
March 23, 2023

Excellent discussion. Would love to hear more from this brilliant trio of gentlemen.

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