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Serial numbers of missile that downed MH17 show it was produced in 1986, owned by Ukraine – Russia

The Russian military challenged video footage used by the UK-based, Atlantic Council backed Bellingcat.

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Serial numbers of missile that downed MH17 show it was owned by Ukraine – MoD.

The serial numbers found on debris of the Buk missile which downed Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17 over eastern Ukraine show it was produced in 1986, the Russian military said. The projectile was owned by Ukraine, they added.

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The serial numbers found on debris of the Buk missile which downed Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17 over eastern Ukraine show it was produced in 1986, the Russian military said. The projectile was owned by Ukraine, they added.

There are two serial numbers found on fragments of the missile, which shot down the passenger airliner in June 2014 according to an international team of investigators led by the Netherlands. The numbers were marked on the engine and the nozzle of the missile.

The Russian military on Monday said they had traced them to a missile which had the producer serial number 8868720.

Speaking to journalists, Gen. Nikolay Parshin showed a document trail of the Buk missile. According to the documents, some of which have been declassified for the presentation, it was produced at a military plant in Dolgoprudny in the Moscow region in 1986.

Serial number on engine and nozzle of the missile.

The missile was shipped from the plant on December 29, 1986 and delivered to military unit 20152 located in what is now Ukraine. It is now called 223rd anti-aircraft defense regiment of the Ukrainian armed forces, the report said. The unit took part in Kiev’s crackdown on rebels in eastern Ukraine in June 2014, the general said.

The evidence disproves the accusations by Ukraine and some other parties, which claim that a missile fired by a launcher, secretly delivered from Russia, was responsible for the downing of MH17, the Ministry of Defense report said. All the materials have been sent to the Dutch investigators, the Russian military added.

MIssilye shipment records found in Russia.

The Russian military also challenges video footage used by the UK-based group Bellingcat, which calls itself a citizen journalism organization, to back its allegations about the delivery of the Buk launcher from Russia. The Defense Ministry showed a video clip with some of the footage, highlighting inconsistencies, which it said proved that the footage had been manipulated to place images of the launcher into background which were not in the original.

The Bellingcat investigation was featured in the latest update by Dutch prosecutors involved in the MH17 investigation, prompting the Russian military to study it in detail, they said. The Russian video showed an example of how an Abrams tank can be shown to be carried by a trailer in the streets of Ukraine in the same way.

Analysis of Bellingcat footage by Russian experts.

The third part of the presentation was what the Russian officials called a record of intercepted communications of Ukrainian officials discussing, in 2016, the risk of flying through restricted airspace over Ukraine. Among a barrage of complaints one phrase says unless the restrictions are respected “we’ll f***ing f**k up another Malaysian Boeing”.

The Russian military say the complaints came from Col. Ruslan Grinchak, who serves in a brigade responsible for radar control of the Ukrainian airspace. His unit tracked the MH17 flight in 2014, so he may have information which is not publicly available about the disaster.

Information on a Col. Ruslan Grinchak shown by the Russian military.

Gen. Igor Konashenkov, who hosted the briefing, said that Ukraine failed to provide radar data from its stations to the Dutch investigators. He also suggested that archive documents from the Ukrainian unit, which received the Buk missile back in 1986, would be of use to the probe, unless Kiev claims that they are no longer available. He stressed rules are in place which mean that such documents should still be stored in Ukraine.

The Russian military said they had no evidence to disprove a scenario, involving the Ukrainian rebels capturing the missile from the Ukrainian army, but pointed out that Ukrainian officials publicly denied anything like this had ever happened.

Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 was shot down over eastern Ukraine on July 17, 2014, falling in the rebel-held part of the country. The crash claimed the lives of 283 passengers and 15 crew members, most of them Dutch nationals. Russia was blamed by Western media in the first days after the tragedy, even before any evidence had been collected on the ground.

The Joint Investigation Team, which is lead by the Netherlands, includes Ukraine, but not Russia. Moscow believes that the investigation is biased, failing to obtain all necessary evidence from Ukraine and relying on questionable sources while ignoring evidence provided by Russia, which doesn’t fit the theory favored by Kiev.

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Facts don’t count a bit for US/NATO-Mafia + their Serfs/Slaves/Minions, if it don’t fit their view, narrative + perception of reality.

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A.F.

RUSSIA DOWNED MH17, AS PROVEN BY ALL EVIDENCE. THE KURSK BRIGADE WAS EVEN AWARDED FOR IT BY PUTIN. THE TRIAL AGAINST RUSSIA FOR DOWNING MH17 STARTS IN 2020.

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Proven by “ALL” evidence??? Are you a Kangaroo??? That apparently is the type of court you swear by!!!

A.F.
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A.F.

Russia vetoed even an International Court for MH17.

joris
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You and your criminal friends have a term for MH17: collateral damage, so what the fuss is all about?

Gazza
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Gazza

No, they refused to allow the US to create a witch-hunt under the UN banner, controlled by NATO-appointed assets to deliver a pre-determined political payload.

Zean
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More lying Bs! All the evidence points to the Ukronazi army, which is the only entity which possessed BUKs in the region.

A.F.
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A.F.

The Russian Army in Russia occupied Donbass has 160 BUKsystems since the invasion in 2014.

Gazza
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Gazza

0 for normal humans means 160 for Ukropi orcs…

They Knew
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Which evidence? The Dutch Safety Board even falsified evidence with the reconstruction of MH-17.

A.F.
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A.F.

Russia refused for 4 years to show any evidence, ,,,,,,,,,,The BUK was registered at Kursk in Russia.

They Knew
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They Knew

There wasn’t a BUK! The Dutch Safety Board falsified evidence during the reconstruction. I gave the proof above.

joris
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The Joint Investigation Team is a hoax like the international tribunal in den Hague

Gazza
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Gazza

Congrats!!! You win this years award for the Most Stupid Banderite Inbred!!!

To collect your reward, you’ll need to head down to the front against the Heroic Defenders of Free Donbass and enlist to take your turn as meat for the grinder. Die with some dignity, Ukropi orc.

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Well, I have some disturbing news for the Dutch Safety Board, JIT team, Dutch Government, and Dutch MEANstream media.

They all kept silent about article 57, section 2, of the Dutch Kingdom Act, which says;

“All the information, forthcoming out of an investigation, which will harm the relationship between “The Crown” and a friendly nation, shall be withheld from the report.”

So, if Almaz-Antey handed over some information that the BUK missile couldn’t be launched from rebel held area, but from Ukraine occupied territory instead, this information will not see the light of day.

They Knew
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Search for the diffrences! Why did the Dutch Safety Board used another cockpit panel during the reconstruction of MH-17?

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ruca

Yeah no mention of 30mm cannon holes in the report. A-holes

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I hope that after this clearly shown fake, no one will believe Bellingcat any more. But I suppose US and British secret services still need Bellingcat in cases in which they cannot produce good fakes – then, they support Bellingcat‘s bad fakes and still can claim it wasn’t them when the fakes are too obvious.

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looks like JIt dropped the ball by showing this so called evidence
i always thought that that BuK missile lookd suspiciously good for having exploded and then falling from 10.000feet
looked more like something thy pulled out of a scrapyard

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I think the Duran article is misleading because it claims that the Russian MOD are saying that ‘the Buk missile that shot down MH17’ was Ukranian – not Russian, whereas I think what the Russian MOD are actually saying is that the JIT “EVIDENCE” claiming the Buk missile was Russian indicates a Ukrainian serial number. Thus the Russian MOD are essentially only commenting on the JIT evidence presented. [Addendum: I have no doubt that Russia was never to blame for the MH17 tragedy, however I still have some doubts that the airliner was shot down by a Buk missile. If… Read more »

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The serial numbers indicate the BUK fragments displayed by the Ukis came from a missile made in the USSR in 1986. That does not mean that it was used to shoot down MH17. It means that since the official BUK narrative began almost from the moment of the crash, that BUK fragments had to be trotted out as “evidence” eventually. Unfortunately for the Ukis they were dumb enough to display the side with the serial numbers clearly visible. I still hold to the fighter jet theory, which is that MH17 was disabled by an air-to-air missile, and as it fell… Read more »

A.F.
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russia downed MH17

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Video exists of a ‘EUkrainian’ anti-aircraft unit commander surrendering his unit and their equipment to the dissident forces. I have seen that. Formerly on Militaryphotos.org (Ukraine thread)

It isn’t known what kind of unit he commanded or with what they were equipped. Somebody used something to drop at least two high-flying Ukrainian aircraft.

Who is in possession of the Buk parts?

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There exists a video of a ‘EUkrainian’ anti-aircraft unit CO surrendering his unit and its equipment o the dissident forces. I have seen that on the former Militaryphotos.net site (Ukraine thread) . That site is archived.

It wasn’t clear what kind of AA unit it was, or with what it as equipped. But somebody used something to drop at least two high-flying EUkrainian aircraft in the days preceding MH17.

Gordon Logan
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The parallel incisions in the left wing can only have been made by the stabilizer fins of an air to air missile. There should have been hundreds of pieces of BUK shrapnel. The few pieces that were found were planted. The cockpit was riddled with 30 mm cannon shells. This BUK stuff is nonsense. Washington and London are hiding the technical data because it reveals the Ukrainian Sukhoi that shot down MH17.

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Shaun Ramewe
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OLd news – we know that corrupt murderous Kiev and their depraved Zio-Western global-traitor backers were always behind this perverted crime.

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The trials of Julian Assange

Eresh Omar Jamal interviews Italian journalist Stefania Maurizi in relation to the situation of Julian Assange.

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Stefania Maurizi is an investigative journalist working for the Italian daily La Repubblica. She has worked on all WikiLeaks releases of secret documents and partnered with Glenn Greenwald to reveal the Snowden Files about Italy. She has authored two books—Dossier WikiLeaks: Segreti Italiani and Una Bomba, Dieci Storie. In an exclusive interview with Eresh Omar Jamal of The Daily Star, Maurizi talks about the continued arbitrary detention of Julian Assange, why powerful governments see WikiLeaks as an existential threat, and the implications for global press freedom if Assange is prosecuted for publishing secret government documents.

You recently had the chance to visit Julian Assange at the Ecuadorian Embassy in London. When was this and can you describe the state he is in?

I was able to visit him on November 19, after 8 months of failed attempts, because last March the Ecuadorian authorities cut off all his social and professional contacts, with the exception of his lawyers, and in the preceding 8 months, I had asked for permission to visit him nine times without success—the Ecuadorian authorities didn’t reply at all to my requests.

When I was finally granted permission to visit the WikiLeaks founder at the Ecuadorian embassy in London last November, I was literally shocked to see the huge impact his isolation has had on his health. Because I have worked as a media partner with him and his organisation, WikiLeaks, for the last nine years, I have met him many times and can tell when there are any changes in his body and mind. I wondered how his mind could keep working; but after talking to him in the embassy for two hours, I have no doubt that his mind is working fine. I still wonder how that’s possible after six and a half years of detention without even one hour of being outdoors. I would have had a physical and mental breakdown after just 6 months, not after 6 years.

Detention and isolation are killing him slowly, and no one is doing anything to stop it. The media reports, the commentators comment, but at the end of the day, he is still there; having spent the last six and a half years confined to a tiny building with no access to sunlight or to proper medical treatment. And this is happening in London, in the heart of Europe. He is not sitting in an embassy in Pyongyang. It is truly tragic and completely unacceptable. And I’m simply appalled at the way the UK authorities have contributed to his arbitrary detention, and have opposed any solution to this intractable legal and diplomatic quagmire.

Having bravely defended Assange for years, the Ecuadorian government in late March cut off almost all his communications with the outside world. What prompted this turnabout and what is its purpose?

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Assange was vindicated not so long ago as to why he cannot leave the embassy when the US Department of Justice “accidentally” revealed in November that the founder of WikiLeaks had been secretly charged in the US. What do you think those charges are for?

It’s hard to say unless the charges get declassified and I really appreciate how the US organisation, Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, is fighting before the court in the Eastern District of Virginia, US, to have the charges declassified.

There is no doubt whatsoever that the US authorities have always wanted to charge him for WikiLeaks’ publications. They have wanted to do so from the very beginning, since 2010, when WikiLeaks released its bombshell publications like the US diplomatic cables.

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Why have some of the most powerful governments and intelligence agencies invested so much resources to attack Assange and WikiLeaks?

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If Assange is prosecuted, what impact might it have on other publishers and journalists and on press freedom globally?

It will have a huge impact and that is why organisations like the American Civil Liberties Union are speaking out. Never before in the US has an editor and media organisation ended up in jail for publishing information in the public interest. If Julian Assange and the WikiLeaks’ staff end up in jail, it will be the first time in US history and will set a devastating precedent for attack on press freedom in the US, but actually, not only in the US. Because if a country like the US, in which the activities of the press enjoy constitutional protection, treats journalists this way, you can imagine how other countries where the press doesn’t enjoy such strong protection will react. It will send a clear message to them: “Your hands are free.”

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Eresh Omar Jamal is a journalist for The Daily Star (Bangladesh). You can find him on Twitter: @EreshOmarJamal and Stefania Maurizi: @SMaurizi

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The US is a serial lawbreaker, operating by its own rules, no others.

Time and again, it flagrantly breaches international treaties, Security Council resolutions, and other rule of law principles, including its own Constitution.

Diplomacy with Republicans and undemocratic Dems is an exercise in futility.

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“We are ready to continue the dialogue in appropriate formats on the entire range of problems related to this document on the basis of professionalism and mutual respect, without putting forward unsubstantiated accusations and ultimatums. Our proposals are well known and remain on the negotiating table,” said Zakharova, adding:

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Not a shred of evidence suggests Russia violated its INF Treaty obligations. The accusation is baseless like all others against the Kremlin.

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“We again confirm our consistent position that the INF Treaty is one of the key pillars of strategic stability and international security.”

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  • Put observance of rule of law principles and honor above dirty business as usual with the kingdom and other despotic regimes for profits.
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