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Iran Refuses To Hand Over Crash Data, Stoking Speculation Plane Was Accidentally Shot Down

The Boeing 737-800, which was delivered to UIA in 2016, was “in excellent condition” before its last flight from Tehran to Kiev…

Iran will reportedly refuse to hand over black box data from the Boeing 737 that crashed over Tehran last night to Boeing, stoking speculation that the aircraft was shot down by an Iranian missile.

Video of wreckage from the crash, which shows shattered bodies and debris spread over a wide area, has surfaced on social media.

As we reported overnight, the 737 800, which is very different from the 737 MAX and has an excellent safety track record, crashed over Tehran just minutes after takeoff, killing all 176 people onboard.

Ukraine International Airlines said in a statement that the plane that crashed was in excellent condition, adding that it was “one of the best planes” in UIA’s fleet, and had undergone necessary maintenance just days before the crash, RT reports.

The Boeing 737-800, which was delivered to UIA in 2016, was “in excellent condition” before its last flight from Tehran to Kiev, Evgeny Dykhne, the company’s president, told reporters in Kiev, also describing the aircraft as “one of the best.”

Overnight, the rumor mill pointed to mechanical errors, which caused Boeing’s shares, already under pressure from the 737 MAX fallout, to slide.

UIA flight director Ihor Sosnovsky even ruled out pilot error as a potential cause of the crash, explaining that the ill-fated flight was manned by a “reinforced crew,” including Captain Volodymyr Yaponenko, Pilot Instructor Oleksiy Naumkin and First Officer Serhiy Khomenko.

All of this makes Iran’s rumored decision not to fork over the black box data more suspicious. Was the plane accidentally struck by an Iranian missile? The timing sure seems suspicious, given that the plane crashed over Iran during the same timeframe that the country was lobbing missiles at American bases in Iraq.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/iran-refuses-hand-over-crash-data-stoking-speculation-plane-was-accidentally-shot-down

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Brokenspine66
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Brokenspine66

I can absolutely understand the Iranian position + distrust, to the West + Ukraine on this occasion. As we all well remember what the US, NATO-Mafia, Ukrainian Putsch Regime the western Regimes + MSM have done on the MH17 downing case and how they literally pissed on the MH17 victims for vile political reasons.

Generalfeldmarschall von Hindenburg
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Generalfeldmarschall von Hindenburg

Even if some Iranian air defence operator shot it down by accident (they’ve zero reason to shoot it down on purpose), it would be not only an embarrassment for the the Iranian state at large, it’s also going to mean that someone in some chain of command is going to have to eat it. And just as in the US, military big shots are not always simple to just have HR tell them to clear out their desks and hit the road. The Iranian air defense people should not be judged too harshly even if it was a cockup. I… Read more »

Olivia Kroth
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THE MOSCOW TIMES: Russia Orders Mideast Safety Check After Iran Plane Crash, Missile Strikes Russian Prime Minister Medvedev has ordered the country’s foreign, transport and economy ministers “to assess the safety of flights and tourism in the Middle East, the Gulf and the Gulf of Oman in light of recent events there.” Russia’s Prime Minister has ordered an inspection of flight and tourism safety in the Middle East following an Iranian missile strike in Iraq and a fatal plane crash in Tehran, Interfax reported Wednesday. Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev’s order comes in response to a Ukrainian airliner crashing shortly after… Read more »

AM Hants
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AM Hants

Why would Iran hand over the black boxes and crash data? Not as though those who would receive them could be trusted, as shown when the MH17 was taken out, in similar circumstances, possibly.

Brokenspine66
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Brokenspine66

You can wait for it how the combined western Fake-News/Propaganda/Deep-State MSM will spin this in the most disgusting way and all sorts of corrupt western polit-clowns will parotting it w/o any facts just to ramp up the information/propaganda war against Iran Russia and probably China as well – Facts doesn’t matter and the victims of this tragedy neither, it will be revolting and ugly.

What goes around, comes around
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What goes around, comes around

True, but an interesting side note is that much of Russian media itself is speculating the Iranians mistook it for a US attack plane. Those things happen too, just ask the captain of the Vincennes. Anyway, yet another notch on Trump’s butt. (oops, gun butt that is).

cudwieser
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cudwieser

Very hard to do though. The livery for a start and the fact most people can decern a civilian aircraft from an attack aircraft. I grant you some people aren’t the brightest but it really does beggar how given current resentments that even a rogue militia operating so close to the airport wouldn’t know what planes are coming and going from that particular area, especially when said militia have rockets (deadly in the hands of trained men, appocalyptic in the hands of fools).

oldandjaded
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oldandjaded

Cudwieser, FWIW, it was Will Rodgers(Captain of the Vincennes) accidently (without visual contact) shooting down an Iranian airliner, which led in a circuitous path (through an Iranian drug dealer named Ahmed Jibril that was using Pan-Am flights to ship heroin out of Frankfurt in collusion with DEA agents, with a DEA backed “side-trip” through Iranian Government channels to “silence” DIA[Charles McKee} and CIA[Mathew Gannon} agents that were flying home on 103 to blow the whistle on ANOTHER covert DEA drug importing operation related to the Iran-Contra deal ) to the downing of Pan-Am 103 over Lockerbie Scotland. Oh what a… Read more »

Brokenspine66
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Brokenspine66

Yes, “Speculating”! While all the combined western Fake-News MSM (and Regimes probably) will spin it as ‘Highly Likely’ ‘With Near Certainty’ [pseudo]Fact – Just wait for it.

cudwieser
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cudwieser

Hi Hants. It’s been a while. One thing bothers me about all of this. For all the BS politiking and who is supposedly allied to whom, Ukraine doesn’t officially have a beef with Iran and vice versa, at least none that I’m aware of and certainly nothing historically speaking. The aeroplane was a national Ukrainian one so largely operates out of Ukraine so would have been crossing borders as a routine. If there was a beef then surely all but independent carriers would be heading for Iran otherwise Iran would (I hope) be doing as much to avoid involving a… Read more »

Conor Hanley
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Conor Hanley

You could be right but it’s also possible that Iran doesn’t trust Boeing and ,in that, they’d be prudent. Seems you can’t trust any body aligned with the west as they’ve been compromised and think truth is whatever suits the west.

oldandjaded
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oldandjaded

largely accurate, except you’ve got the relationship turned on its head. The West has been compromised and thinks “truth” is what suits corporations like Boeing.

cudwieser
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cudwieser

Boeing is just a patsy in this fight. It’s those behind boeing that are the ones to watch.

P.S All Aviation companies the world over are ruled by the MIC and are largely faces and minor players.

Dick Eastman
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Dick Eastman

Remember EgyptAir 990. Trump resorts to airline-crash terrorism, all 176 killed in Tehran following takeoff for Ukraine, no Americans aboard. The means exist. Dov Zakheim’s company developed it pre-9-11. I WOULDN’T TRUST U.S. WAR DEFENSE CONTRACTOR EITHER. Why do you suppose Trump said, It’s all good? He won the killing match and with the fig leaf of plausible deniability.

Clarity
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Clarity

The timeline of missile launch and airplane failure makes this article redundant. Basic research/fact check. There were more than 5 hours between these events, making the main statement relating to the headline – that both incidents happened at the same time – false. Then there is the range of the missiles used, approx. 300km max range – that is max range, although not ideal range – that puts these missiles nowhere near the flight path of the unfortunate flight PS752. More hype. Another claim that defense missiles might be the culprit is also rather far fetched. That would be an… Read more »

Joe
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Joe

Bs! Why would Iran hand over the black boxes to the terrorist Yanks or their allies to do what they have done to MH17? This is the Ukronazi terrorist regime, not a neutral third party.
The Iranians are more than capable of investigating this themselves.

Guy
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Guy

How could any sane person blame the Iran gov. for not handing the black box etc.
Look what they did with the MH 17 downing with all the lies………

Rosy Mylene
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Rosy Mylene

Alex, why release the black box to Boeing, who has extremely close ties with the US Department of Defense? It would be foolish to do so. Nothing simpler than fabricating lies in “the national interest.” Further, Boeing is facing a lawsuit in Chicago and must appear in Court tomorrow, Thursday 10th, as defendants in a multimillion dollar lawsuit for the wrongful death of many in the plane crash of their 737 Ethiopian Airlines plane. Plaintiff claim that the company KNEW that the planes were defective and the it recklessly kept them flying. High punitive damages are sought by the victims’… Read more »

cudwieser
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cudwieser

Basic ultra corporatism. Ride the donkey until it drops, then flog it. Boeing is only doing what Ford has done and various Pharma have done. The’ll pay off the case make BS attempts at improvement until they get lazy and things happen again.

What goes around, comes around
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What goes around, comes around

Speculation, eh? I’d more likely speculate that Boeing would ‘tweak’ the data a la OPCW and JIT to come up with a desired casus belli. Let the the Russians and Chinese along with Iran open their own JIT and let them examine the black boxes and conclude the cause and deny the US, Canada or Ukraine access. They can take it or leave it. It would be a fitting resolution, would it not? Besides, don’t think it’s beyond the capability of some Bolton-class warmonger or his Ukrainian counterparts to slip a bomb onto one of these Iranian flights that can… Read more »

The Quiet American
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The Quiet American

I certainly don’t think that it’s beyond their capabilities. The Quiet American after all, was more of a documentary than a work of fiction.
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oldandjaded
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oldandjaded

The book was better, Graham Greene was a great writer, I read it while on vacation in, ironically, Vietnam! LOL!

oldandjaded
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oldandjaded

Dead on the money. and your last paragraph, been done, see my comments (altitude triggered, but close enough, and that was years ago) above on Pan-Am 103.

Thraxite
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Thraxite

It went down within 2 minutes of takeoff, and from a known vector, people who don’t know how this sort of thing works should not speak out. The size of the RCS (radar cross section) and the type of radar used in commercial aircraft make identification easy, not to mention IFF. No, this plane was not shot down by Iranian AA. Not handing the black boxes over to a US company when we see how the US acts as can be demonstrated with MH-17 “investigation” is totally understandable and not suspicious in any manner. Canadians have shown themselves to be… Read more »

cudwieser
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cudwieser

They should…eventually, after the info has been extracted and played to the public. Give the boxes back and see what the US does with them. If conspiracy rings out then hopefully enough sceptacism will reign to make things harder for the US (and everybody) to keep playing their mickey mouse games.

Жељко
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Жељко

The plain may have been taken down in a failed false flag operation by usual suspects in order to blame it on Iran. Unfortunately it coincided with real Iranian rocket response. Just speculating….

cudwieser
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cudwieser

Nothing has failed yet…unfortunately

Жељко
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Жељко

I didn’t mean to say it was taken down by a rocket. The purpose of this failed false flag scheme was to explode the (western) plane before any Iranian response to general Soleimani killing and framing it as an Iranian response to that killing. Didn’t work as the real response took place, making this scheme implausible …The fact that it was full of ukranians = Rusians involved. Pathetic but equal to the “genius” at play…

Olivia Kroth
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TASS: Zero chances of finding survivors of Ukrainian plane crash in Tehran — Red Crescent TEHRAN, January 8. /TASS/. There are zero chances of finding survivors of a Ukrainian passenger jet crash in the Iranian capital of Tehran, Head of Relief and Rescue Organization of Iran’s Red Crescent Society Morteza Salimi said on Wednesday. Fars news agency reported earlier in the day that a Boeing-737 of the Ukraine International Airlines carrying 180 passengers and crewmembers crashed in the Iranian capital of Tehran shortly after its take-off from the Imam Khomeini International Airport “There are no chances that passengers have survived,”… Read more »

Cap960
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Cap960

Can’t truly blame Iran for not wanting to give the black box… The west has tendency to politicize things against their enemies…Kets not forget Past Russian treatment.

Brokenspine66
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Brokenspine66

Just mention WADA, the whole Skrippal Novochok hoax or the harrasment/brutalizing/Terrorising of private individuals just because they are Russians like Butina comes to mind.

cudwieser
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cudwieser

Old tactic played too often and a history too oft forgotten. Remember how disease and infection was so often your opponents fault (or if your name’s Charles Trevelyan the blight and famine in Ireland was Irelands fault).

Rich0Shea
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Rich0Shea

MEK with a Stinger (manpad) – at the behest of you-know-who… telling the Iranians – we kill innocent civilians without blinking an eye so don’t mess with us.

Jane Karlsson
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Jane Karlsson

Yes MEK

JoBlo
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JoBlo

Iran is under no obligation to hand over the flight recorders to any country because, since the accident happened inside Iran’s borders, Iran becomes the prime investigator of the crash, according to international convention. If a country does not have the necessary expertise to safely extract the information, it can choose to hand over to another country that has this expertise. That would also include Canada’s Transportation Safety Board, and Russia/CIS’s Interstate Aviation Council’s Accident Investigation Bureau. In accordance with international aviation convention, Iran has already invited the manufacturer Boeing to participate in the investigation, under Iranian leadership. There is… Read more »

Trump Assassinated the Leading General Who Fought Against ISIS.

Iran didn’t want to kill US troops with its strike, it wanted to make point to Trump about its missile tech & resolve. It did that